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September 25, 2007 02:30:04 bertimouse   Well, I'd like to add my humble comments here if I may, for what they're worth: Regarding the price of Gasoline: We are all feeling the pinch of higher gas prices. My question is why is it cheaper to buy gas up in Norwich or in Unadilla, than it is in Masonville, Sidney or Walton? Can someone please explain this to us? We have been at a loss for a long time trying to understand this one! Regarding reimbursement of gasoline for the Fire Chiefs: I think NO. I do not think this is a good idea. The Fire Chiefs do not have to drive a big SUV to get to any scene of a fire...how about a fast little 4-cylinder two-seater instead? My older brothers have been in the fire dept. and rescue squads for years, and the Chief does NOT always access the situation with them on-site. -It depends on the quality and training of the OTHER men in the fire department, which radio back to the Chief. Long distances dictate which fireman has that responsibility to the Chief, as always. Regarding the fire recently in Sidney? I (heard) that Sidney, Afton and Bainbridge fire departments responded, but not Masonville...why was that all about? -I guessed that Masonville stayed home to take care of the rest of us that night, should anything ELSE break out, but I also (heard) some bad talking against the MVFD which I DID NOT LIKE AT ALL! This tells me that the MVPD needs to do some PR with our community, maybe? Regarding the October 15th MVPD budget meeting: Yes, I agree that anyone in the Town of Masonville should attend this meeting. I support all of the dedicated people in this Town and they deserve to have us hear them speak. I agree with Greg that it is important that we ALL participate! The more communication that we have as a whole community will only help us in the long run. That's what I say. Together as a Town we are all strong; even if we disagree a little, let's have at it, eh? :)
September 24, 2007 12:19:43 Robin Little   I feel that Greg Tiska's request is reasonable. To have the chiefs ride out with the trucks is unreasonable. There are times when the chief gets to a scene and then calls back that not all the equipment is needed. It is only logical that gas and money will be saved by not having to roll out all the equipment. If you have send out just one fire truck to see what is needed then, the place could be a lost or someone's life could be lost. How can we put a price on our town's safety?
September 13, 2007 07:01:01 Kevin- son of Richard and Marie (aka Peck) krcb@cox.net Geesh- first time in my life I have ever been "censored" :)
September 13, 2007 06:57:53 Kevin *CENSORED* krcb@cox.net Oh! There is no place like home! I sit out here in southern California thinking about the terrific childhood I had growing up on Parker Hollow Road! Enjoy the website!
September 12, 2007 06:16:26 G Tyson   Thanks for the help bertimouse. Your information was very helpful. Have a great day d:^)
September 11, 2007 08:31:25 1/2 a martini   can anyone explain the letter regarding selling your development rights to the NYC watershed??? Not sure if I should be concerned or not. Thank you in advance for any information provided.
September 08, 2007 23:18:48 bertimouse   Hi G Tyson! What kind of ticket was your's for? Speeding? Having a dog/cow/horse run loose? Rats in your backyard? Bad parking? -Try contacting the New York State Troopers office (Troop C) in Sidney at 561-7400 or the Delaware County Sheriff's Office at 746-2336 for more information. Hope this helps you, and hope the bill won't be too much :)
September 05, 2007 15:21:57 Robin Little   Tanks Grumpy. I was just wondering.
September 01, 2007 21:55:52 Mr. Everything   37 wonderful years in Masonville; it truly is a hidden treasure. Great website!
September 01, 2007 12:45:15 Grumpy Grumpy@MasonvilleNY.com Sorry, Robin! As soon as our clerk gets them to me, I send them to my webmaster and he gets them up quite promptly. We are waiting also.
August 30, 2007 14:35:51 Robin Little   Any minutes for August meeting?
August 06, 2007 12:07:56 Grumpy Grumpy@MasonvilleNY.com I assume that this body of water of which you speak is East Masonville Pond. It lies about half an hour (20 miles) from Colchester. Take Route 206 West until you are almost in Masonville. Then be watchful for County Road 35 on your right. Take it toward East Masonville and Sidney Center. You'll see the pond before you get to Sidney Center.
August 06, 2007 00:53:30 cindi and rob cinrob90@verizon.net we just moved up to colchester and someone up there told us about a beautiful lake in Masonville, which i can not seem to find can someone help us Thanks a millon.
August 02, 2007 17:04:15 Grumpy Grumpy@MasonvilleNY.com At the 1 August 2007 Regular Town Board Meeting, the members of the Town of Masonville Comprehensive Master Plan Advisory Committee were appointed. This committee is chaired by Councilman George DeNys and consists of Dave Barnes, Carol Bowker, Curt Christiansen, Kendal Craig, Betty Scott, and Steve Tiska.
July 11, 2007 17:37:57 Grumpy Grumpy@MasonvilleNY.com Excellent Brandy news! I don't know if posting the notice of her "loss" here, helped, but this sort of thing is one way this message board can be very useful!
July 11, 2007 10:08:06 Charles Heap   Brandy was found 7/11/07!
July 10, 2007 13:12:48 Charles Heap cheap@nycap.rr.com Lost Dog: Golden Retriever, 12 year old Female, Golden body with a grey face, answers to Brandy; ran off on Saturday 7/7/07 on Route 8, near Butts Road. 518-928-7578
June 28, 2007 13:53:41 Grumpy Grumpy@MasonvilleNY.com Good idea, Doug. I will talk about it with my webmaster, who as you can see, is a little behind with getting the minutes from the last town council meeting posted. He just got back from the Harley Rendezvous and hasn't quite refocused yet. On the other hand, I don't want to make it too difficult to post here and discourage meaningful input from the (Masonville) town folk, which would defeat the purpose of why I launched this site in the first place.
June 28, 2007 11:48:48 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com A suggestion: How's about adding a bot-blocker to this site -- one of those little boxes where a PERSON has to enter a sorta-disguised set of letters and-or numbers -- to prevent all the 'how do you like my site' notes from getting posted?
June 28, 2007 11:45:02 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com Bravo, S. !!! ~~~~~ Count me READY . . .
June 27, 2007 12:08:32 S.   Just an FYI.. With the help of Mr. Denys, I am researching ideas for signs, flowers, etc, for the town- and in addition will hopefully acquire any pertinent info in regards to volunteers/land-owners and liabilities! I'll post as important info comes to me- for those of you interested in being involved when the time comes!
June 24, 2007 13:30:55 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com This (board meeting) could be an excellent opportunity for a _civics_ lesson, too: We will at that time have two Fresh Air Fund kids visiting us from NYC. At 11 and 12 years of age, both are at a point where an opportunity to see _government in action_ SHOULD be welcomed. (But kids being kids, I'll probably have to drag them along! ;) ___ Oh, well, 'guess I'll have to drag this little fillies to the well and see if they drink in some knowledge!) ____What time is the meeting? At the barn or the library?
June 24, 2007 12:58:43 "Grumpy" Ernst Keidel (on Steam Mill Road) Grumpy@MasonvilleNY.com Good points, Doug! Why don't you come to the town council meeting on the 11th and raise them? Regards, GRUMPY
June 24, 2007 12:45:46 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com Re points raised by Robin (relative to my earlier posts on the speeding issue PLUS other posts regarding the idea of ‘Welcome’ signs for the village): ____[1] Where to place them _could_, of course, be an issue both of the actual _where_ factor AND the liability either a property owner or the town might have if someone plowed into a sign and was injured or, worse, a volunteer helping maintain the sign area was in any way injured. Do we have a town attorney who could be consulted on this? My suspish is that the town would, if it was leasing or _borrowing_ the use of several square yards in various locations for signs, be liable for ...whatever. I’m not an attorney; I could be wrong. But whoever is liable needs to be insured against the risks. _______[2] Who would make and, more importantly, maintain the signs and the area around them would have to be agreed upon by taxpayers... unless a volunteer committee took it upon themselves to fully fund and assume all liabilities for such signs. I would be proud to be part of such a committee. _______[3] I addressed the issue of the painted sign posts in a separate message. But a further thought on that: It is _possible_, I guess, that DOT had the sign posts painted to make the speed limit signs more noticeable. Beyond that, I don’t have a clue who painted them... but it _was_ a good idea! ______[4] Without going back to check, I don’t believe I said ‘every other car’ is speeding. Truth be told, the average is more like 65-80 percent of all passing vehicles who exceed 40 mph – ten miles OVER the limit – as they pass my house... in EITHER direction. _______ [5] I can certainly appreciate your concern that if a high percentage of the higher-speed speeders were ticketed, and IF many of them choose to appear in court, our ordinarily-adequate-for-a-small-town court could, indeed, be overwhelmed. But surely such a revenue-producing volume would justify an as-needed traffic-court-only court session. All costs would, obviously, be MORE than covered by speeder-provided fines. (And practically speaking, it is more than likely that many people would simply main in the fine.) _______ [6] Heaven forbid we should EVER need a full-time court system! But _this_ issue certainly wouldn’t bring that about. More likely, a speed-limit-enforcement program would for some period of time produce a _generous_ budget surplus, but over the longer term, the cash flow would – we can hope – slow to a smaller but still steady amount – enough to cover enforcement costs and _still_ ease budget pressures. ________ [7] I understand the _concept_ regarding one rotten apple and the barrel, but I don’t understand the reference in the context in which you used it. I apologize for being, in this instance, obtuse.
June 23, 2007 18:10:14 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com I have heard, though can't claim to know for sure, that metal surface, like wooden ones, tend to weather better when they are painted. IF that's true, who ever painted the 30mph sign POSTS to make them more visible might be described as forward-thinking, and oriented toward problem-solving. (Alas, he or she might also be accused of defacing public property.) Either way, it wasn't me. ;)
June 23, 2007 18:02:31 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com To Robin Little: I once heard, and liked, the equivalent of "My father was Mr. Harris. I’m Doug." Though I haven’t had the good fortune of meeting you, I would like to think that, being small-town neighbors, we can get on a first-name basis. I hope you agree, (may I address you as?) Robin. (Because I want _this_ message to stand out, I will address other points in a separate note.)
June 22, 2007 10:56:48 S.   A full-scale town-pride project would take some time to organize and execute; there are many things to consider- some Robin mentioned. With enough interest from volunteers and hopefully assistance from the town- anything is possible! Who is responsible for that cemetary Robin mentioned, anyway? I know the one behind the school seems very well-kept so why not the one on 206?
June 21, 2007 10:33:07 Robin Little   I like the idea of having "Welcome To Masonville" signs. But a few possible problems would be: where to place them, how much land is needed and is the person who owns said land willing to allow a sign on their property, who will make sure the signs are maintained. Our cemetery on 206 isn't kept looking nice, so how do we know that the signs won't recieve the same treatment and respect. I believe the Town Board addressed the issue of the speed limits and NYSDOT were not willing to change the limits. Mr. Harris I have a question for you. Did you paint the speed limit sign post to make them more noticeable? As they do stand out more. I have noticed that the Officers have been changing where they sit to catch speeders. As to having cameras to catch speeders, the volume of tickets could overwhelm our small court and cause the Justice to have to hold court more than once a week, as you make it sound like every other car is speeding. The trickle down affect may cause more harm than good. We don't want to have to have a full time court system in our small town as that is more of a city thing. Masonville is friendly, but it only takes one bad apple to spoil the bushel.
June 21, 2007 10:29:10 Cindy Allgaier moroni4mom@yahoo.com I was very happy to see you have started a website for Masonville. I would suggest that you add somewhere on your site some items of historical interest. We visited there several years ago looking for information on our ancestors and found you had 23 pioneer cemeteries and a very capable town historian. It would be a help to some to know what is there in the way of historical or genealogical interest as well as a contact name.
June 20, 2007 19:17:54 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com Chrys, re the issue of volunteer firemen and similar 'mandatory speeders' being exempted from auto-generated speeding tickets, that is SO easy: The tickets would be answerable to the local (TOWN) court. Dismissals 'with cause' (or whatever the legal means would be) would, I am confident, be no problem. ~~ AND ANYWAY, it was never my thought that an automatic speed reader would be set at 30 mph. More reasonable, giving even more latitude than the staties routinely do, setting it at between 40-45 should FAIRLY address the worst cases AND reduce the risk the village would be seen as unfriendly to speeders. ~~ It's truly mind-boggling to see people not only flying through this speed zone but COMPOUNDING the insult to our laws by _passing_!!!
June 20, 2007 19:06:25 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com S., that is a _winner_ of an idea! I am prepared to participate in any way I can to help establish this as "An Xtra Nice Little Village" in the minds of visitors _and_ passers-through. Surely there must be a local who could paint some signs for us -- one for each of the four main entry points (on 8 and 206) to the village. Shared among a bunch of us, the cost would certainly be affordable! And recruiting volunteers to build and maintain either flower or rock garden around the base of the signs should be well within our grasp, too.
June 20, 2007 16:49:01 George Denys   S. That is a wonderfull idia. Would you be willing to take charge of that effort? If so please call or e-mail me. George Denys
June 20, 2007 14:14:07 S.   Perhaps our first step toward making others respect our town would be to show a little town pride. Nice wooden signs that say "Welcome to Masonville"-surrounded by flowers. Clean sidewalks- free of litter and weeds. Flower boxes- right now our only decorations seem to be the American Flags on the appropriate holidays. And how nice would it be for our main attraction (other than the General Store, of course!)-the Quickway- to have a facelift? Obviously we'd have to go through other channels for that one. Our location is unfortunate: intersecting two state roads, the only interruption on a course between Sidney and Deposit, Bainbridge and Walton. I think we need to get noticed in some way.. if it looks like we don't care, why should anyone else?
June 20, 2007 00:07:15 Chrys G nemorka@gmail.com What urks me the most is when some out-of-towner decides that those who do follow the speed limit through that section of town are going too slow and decide to pass anywhere between church street and the library. I've witnessed that happen on more than one occassion, almost being hit head on by one of the blithfully speeding SUV on one such occassion, and being passed on a couple of other instances. It is not an isolated event. I've both heard, and read here of others having it happen to them. I think, part of the problem is we have 2 different speed limits within the center of town. Perhaps if rt 206 were also made a 30mph zone it would unify the speed limits, and cut down on confusion for out-of-towners. Yes, I'm aware that such a suggested change would be aggrivating for community members and take some getting used to, but the possibility that it would cut down on inadvertant speeders on rt 8 is there. Now on another hand. I initially like the idea of the electronic speed ticket issuing devices, but, one has to consider that alot of our volunteer firemen come through that area - would they too be issued tickets for performing their vital role to the community? Why would we want to inadvertantly penalize them with such a thing?
June 19, 2007 23:49:56 Chrys G nemorka@gmail.com Just an aside - the likely reason that we are seeing spammers, and random posts is because of programs called spyders or webcrawling bots used by spammers/advertisers and so forth. These programs can and will persue the web, typically by utilzing isp numbers, rather than DNS entries to find websites which have places that allow posting. They then post content in any field availible, in an attempt to look like a posting member in order to push a product or in some cases entice people to different websites (in which case, odds are you'll end up with ad/spyware or worse a trojan. This doesn't allow linking, which is wonderful protection for people, being that no one can inadvertantly click one of the links that a bot might be trying to post. A precaution that outweighs (imho) any bother that goes with legitimate users not being able to post links. If you can google a site - it means it has been crawled by at least one "spyder" bot. It is annoying, but not much can be done about it outside of making it so you have to be a registered user (and have it administrator authorization) to utilize the site.
June 19, 2007 15:54:07 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com Mike S: Do you have a suggestion as to how to get people to obey a law that is, after all, there for the protection of all of us in Masonville? I don't want this town portrayed as an unfriendly place any more than you do, but I _do_ want to see Masonville recognized as a peaceful, LAW-ABIDING community. Please stop over for a glass of something cold. We can sit a few minutes on my porch, watching the traffic. Seeing the problem up close may inspire you to come up with a better idea than mine.
June 19, 2007 09:39:19 Mike S.   they _deserve_ to have us flatten their bank accounts! Sorry, but I believe your approach to the problem is wrongheaded. I can tell you, your statements here will cause me not to stop and shop in your establishment as well as any other that promote Masonville as such an unfriendly place.
June 19, 2007 01:05:41 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com A considered response to a few comments re my earlier note: FIRST, my apologies for any disturbance our dogs cause. We will endeavor to arrange for them to over-night in the basement, so at least the _night-time_ carrying-on will be curbed. (I can’t promise this will happen immediately, as we will need to make some changes in the basement first.) SECOND, to "Baffled," one of several responders too shy to identify themselves, we moved onto this "major state highway" for the obvious reason that we wanted to be where traffic is for our business. I am complaining the cars go too fast because, quite simply, THEY DO. This section of Rt 8 is a 30 MPH zone. I invite you to spend a few hours sitting around this area and observe for yourself how fast your 'typical' driver goes. To give you a really accurate idea of the speed reality we live with, have a friend drive past you, as you sit along this stretch, going 35 MPH. Then observe how DANGEROUSLY FAST most cars -– and particularly the trucks –- go along here. THIRD, to Mike S., who’s opposed to the technology of auto-recording speeders: As you noted, troopers make 'occasional' efforts to deal with speeders here. They cannot be expected to do more, given the limited personnel resources they have to work with. They cannot deter when they can’t be here, and a couple of hours now and then really doesn’t slow _anyone_ down all the rest of the time. What on earth is wrong with requiring people to observe a clearly posted speed limit –- through use of ANY available technology? Does Masonville have so many crime-oriented visitors along Rt 8 that we need to have the police focus their time in this area? Would we not be better served if they could allocate _more_ time to other parts of town. (Maybe they’d catch one or two of the trash-dumpers on Steam Mill and/or elsewhere!) And what, pray tell, is wrong with allowing visiting speeders to help meet the town’s financial needs? Hey, they wanna break our laws, they _deserve_ to have us flatten their bank accounts! FOURTH, to "Resident of Masonville," another shy soul: Please re-read my original note. I did not in any way criticize or find fault with the state troopers. They have, thanks to Sgt. Todd Phillips’ efforts in response to my plea of several months ago, been wonderfully vigilant –- but, as noted, only to the limit their resources allow. The local barracks is not at fault for being understaffed for the volume of work expected (or asked) of them. And I doubt they’ll see much relief in the near-term, given that our governor has set his sights on making 'world class institutions' of the state-run colleges and universities that, truth be told, were not created to serve the world, but to provide sound, AFFORDABLE education to NY students. FIFTH and finally, to “Lopikloip”, I would love to say I agree with your comments, carefully (and in such considerable detail) as they were provided. But alas, it was all Greek to me. Doug Harris PS – To GRUMPY: While I’ve never had the good fortune of catching up with you at the Crescent Wrench Café, that’s most likely because I don’t get in there as often as I’d like to. But I cannot say enough nice thinks about the MARVELOUS job Kendell and Andrew do there. What a SPLENDID spot to sit a spell and, of course, shop!
June 18, 2007 23:04:30 Kristine   I was attempting to contact the fire department for a non emergency question. I think the number posted on this website is wrong. Someone answered "Masonville Antiques". Thanks Kris
June 15, 2007 13:09:36 Resident of Masonville   Mr. Harris: your diligence in regards to speeders is comendable and appreciated. I do find, however, that your negativity towards the state police is unwarranted. You seem to be a tad unrealistic in your expectations. Incidentally, I'm wondering how you'll correct the greater, more consistent nuisance of your DOGS. One would assume your concern for the greater good might include peace and quiet for this tiny town; instead your herd of barking hounds continues to harrass your partrons, walking residents, and most inexcusably your neighbors. I was just hoping your concern is truly community-wide and your public vigilante efforts aren't for show.
June 14, 2007 12:00:13 Robin Little   I have lived on Rte 8 (north and south of the light) all of my life. The speed limit has never changed that I can remember. As to the police coverage, I have seen the State Troopers and the Delaware Co. Sheriff Deputies on Rte 8 a lot this spring. I have sat at my parents house, next door to Mr. Harris, and watched the police stop many, many cars going both directions. There has been some road blocks also. On another matter, I drove through Steam Mill last week only to see that some of the trash that was thrown out on the road was still there, like the old refrigerator and kids slide. I was hoping that the Highway Dept. would have picked that up during clean up days.
June 14, 2007 09:41:01 Baffled   So you bought a house on a major state highway and now are *CENSORED* that the cars go by too fast. That's like buying a house next to the railroad tracks and bitching about the trains.
June 13, 2007 09:10:16 Mike S.   I would be opposed to such technology, I believe we are better served when human beings enforce traffic laws. Using such technology as a way to raise money is repulsive. In my mind the occasional presense of the Troopers serve as a deterrent to speeding and also provide the town with security from other crimes that machines cannot.
June 12, 2007 22:55:14 wondering   It's already June 12. Are the new minutes ready?
June 10, 2007 13:38:22 Grumpy Grumpy@MasonvilleNY.com I agree with you, Doug! A number of weeks ago, I was enjoying a cup of coffee at the Crescent Wrench Cafe, when two young ladies entered and asked where to find the town court. They had been summoned to appear and pay for a speeding ticket. They were given directions and I told them: "Thank you for helping us with our tax base!"
June 09, 2007 23:23:58 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com I would appreciate hearing others' thoughts on this idea: Technology exists whereby it would be possible for our fair town to PROFIT from the rude and reckless road users who insist on FLYING through the 30 mph zone on Rt 8. There are devices that can [1] identify vehicles that are speeding and [2] photograph their license places so that the town can [3] issue by-mail tickets. Whatever the cost of such a device, we'd recover it in NO TIME, thanks to the ludicrous lack of observance of our safety-oriented speed-limit rules. The state police make periodic attempts to curb this problem, but their resources are limited -- as is their motivation. But WE stand to gain doubly if speeders are deterred and, when they're not, made to pay through both nostrils.
June 09, 2007 13:33:10 Doug Harris Shop@MasonvilleAntiques.com I would appreciate hearing others' thoughts on this idea: Technology exists whereby it would be possible for our fair town to PROFIT from the rude and reckless road users who insist on FLYING through the 30 mph zone on Rt 8. There are devices that can [1] identify vehicles that are speeding and [2] photograph their license places so that the town can [3] issue by-mail tickets. Whatever the cost of such a device, we'd recover it in NO TIME, thanks to the ludicrous lack of observance of our safety-oriented speed-limit rules. The state police make periodic attempts to curb this problem, but their resources are limited -- as is their motivation. But WE stand to gain doubly if speeders are deterred and, when they're not, made to pay through both nostrils.
May 31, 2007 09:47:41 Inna Kirichuk cats2kittens@yahoo.com can someone tell me who lives at 69 linda marie lane or who is selling the house? I saw a for sale sign up awhile back but didn't catch the name/phone#. If someone could tell me if it is still for sale or who the owner is and how to contact them, I would appreciate it. Thanks
May 21, 2007 11:32:30 Concerned Country Landowner   Can someone explain where we could find information about build permit approvals? There seems to be a lot of building up here on Houck Rd. over the past few years. Causing an increase of noise, traffic and speeders.
April 27, 2007 22:31:12 Craig DuMond   I agree, dumping is a huge problem. Masonville will have it's annual clean up days on May 18-19. Residents are encouraged to bring their unwanted items to the Highway Garage to be disposed of free of charge. Residents can contact the NYS Dept of Environmental Conservation Police regarding illegal dumping at 607-746-2336.
April 26, 2007 13:23:23 Robin Little   I hope that the person that is dumping paint cans, food, vacuum cleaner, garbage cans, a refrigerator and other junk knows how that effects the environment. I drive through Steam Mill frequently (as well as other back roads) to look for wildlife to photograph. On Monday as I was driving through I came across the above-mentioned items, some of which was in the roadway. I find this to be sickening. It is apparent that this person responsible has no respect for the environment or other people. Masonville has clean up days each year to help get rid of unwanted items. Please do not dump junk/garbage on the back roads.
April 23, 2007 09:02:25 Grumpy Grumpy@MasonvilleNY.com Alas, Supervisor DuMond, your e-mail box is full and will not accept any new messages!
April 22, 2007 22:56:48 Craig DuMond, Town Supervisor   Thank you Councilman Denys for your clear and concise information concerning the Town's reval. Your information is 100% correct. I understand some folks confusion....Initially, we as a Board were just as confused. We will be happy to address any questions at out next Town Board meeting....May 2nd at 7:30pm.
April 18, 2007 17:00:55 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net One last thing I must clarify. Property owner is correct to the point that going to 100% is a much different thing than the reval. They are two seperate things happening in the same year. My explanation revolved aroung the raising to 100%. Not the reval. The reval is the real reason the assessments have jumped so much in one year. I am not by any means saying that a healthy disscussion about the reval itself isn't in order. I live here too and want whats best for all of us and would never think anyone was ignorant. I am just trying to explain the situation to those who might not understand it completly, not explain it away. I personaly will have much to say at the next board meeting. Please don't confuse my trying to explain something with my personal opinion of the matter. I have alot of questions too and will make them at the appropriate time, at the next board meeting. Please attend.
April 18, 2007 14:10:16 Property owner   To clarify. My brief prior posting was simply a statement of facts I felt the people of Masonville were obligated to know as informed residents. The information was a STATEMENT OF FACTS per the COUNTY ASSESSORS OFFICE and the STATE of NY. Not a personal attack on anyone. Message boards are for opinions and facts; not mud slinging. Postings do not need names to be valid in fact or opinion. Most people do not want a "conversation" about the facts they are presenting. Fact: Per the Tri Town News, Thursday, April, 07. Town of Sidney has rolled their tax program back because of a problem with the tax assessment. Re eval halted.... Figures and facts remain the same. Sidney was at 95% and were to raise a mere 5%. Masonville is at 85% and was to go to 100%. When an assessment is raise, have you ever seen taxes go down? When push comes to shove I don't believe Masonvilles town folk will be as ignorant as the Town Board believes. I hope they will all let their opinions be heard loud and clear. Respectfully, Property Owner
April 17, 2007 20:04:15 George Denys- one more time for those who missed it Gdenys@citlink.net One more time for those who missed it. Remember, going from 85% to 100% is different than a reassessment! Assessors are trained to be appraisal professionals; it is their job to make sure that the assessments are accurate and equitable, which provides the basis for fair distribution of taxes among the property owners within the assessing unit. Keeping assessments up-to-date each year is necessary for fair tax distribution. Next, keeping values up-to-date each year does not necessarily mean that your assessment will increase. Market values of properties may stay the same or go down, which means that some properties should see a decrease in assessed values. If your assessment does increase, it doesn’t mean that your taxes will automatically increase. In some cases, a municipality will go from a fractional level of assessment to 100 percent. If the original level of assessment was 85 percent, and the current level of assessment is 100 percent, your assessed value could go from $85,000 to $100,000, and you might not see any increase in taxes. In addition, if your assessment increases, but the assessments of most other properties increase more, your share of the taxes could decrease. For instance, if your assessment increased by 3 percent, but most other property owners saw increases of 5 percent, you’ll likely see a decrease in taxes (assuming your school and municipal budgets remain stable and the tax levy does not increase. I hope I am explaining this in a way that makes sense to most folks. When I opened my letter I was upset as well. I went up ALOT. BUT after reserching this I find that 1. being at 100% is the right thing for the town, 2. The tax assessor is doing her job (except for the late letters....that was inexcusable and steps have been taken to rectify that. 3. In the future we ( the town board and public in general)need better comunication and understanding with the assessors office. This last point is more dificult as an assessor, like a judge, operates independently from the board. While we have oversight responsibilities, we are prohibited from meddling in her affairs. Still, an effort to educate the public well before hand would relive alot of the stress associated with this type of thing. 4. Remember that there is in place a system to challenge your assessment. If you feel you are over assessed then use it. It is a simple process and made to provide checks and balences. 5. We are all in this together. None of us on the board want anything but the best for the town. We all live here too!!
April 17, 2007 19:41:15 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net Good Evening Property owner et.al. I have enjoyed very much trying to explain the tax situation as I know it. I have had many productive conversations with folks over the last few weeks. I must, however, discontinue trying to have a conversation with folks who will not identify themselves. This is not a productive methood of conversation. Some may not like it but thats my rule. Most of the questions that are not based in personal bias can be answered by going to the NYS Dept.of Real Property Tax services. This site will not allow me to post the link but it is readily available by typing in the above into any search engine. Please take 15-20 minutes to do so and you will have a good handle on what this is all about. Feel free to contact me with any concern or question you may have. I will do my best to answer them in a timely manner. Thank you, George Denys
April 17, 2007 17:16:25 Property owner   I have been keeping up with the town's outrage at the new assessments. I was wondering just how much of our assessors' figures has to do with the States program of rewards to townships that attain and maintain a 100% value assessment. According to information gathered from the county, the State has a program where each of Masonvilles 1251 parcels is worth $5.00 per year, plus a one time $12.00 per parcel BONUS to the town for signing on(if you will). That means the town of Masonville collects $21,267 for the first time it goes to 100% and $6,250 each year after as long as it maintains 100%. According to the Town Board, they authorize the assessor to do a re-eval and have "oversight" over the assessor. They also state they won't collect over and above the money that the Town of Masonville requires for it's budget??? If we were at 85%, that left 15% for our taxes to go up. I am hearing many that went up 50-100%. Someone flunked math! Most folks I know were dreading the 15% because our incomes surely don't go up with everything else! So just who DOES know what's REALLY going on here?? Anyone......I know many have not even received their notices yet in the mail, but the required date for folks to receive theirs WAS March 31.........What has happened to the lovely town of Masonville??????????
April 17, 2007 17:14:24 Property owner   I have been keeping up with the town's outrage at the new assessments. I was wondering just how much of our assessors' figures has to do with the States program of rewards to townships that attain and maintain a 100% value assessment. According to information gathered from the county, the State has a program where each of Masonvilles 1251 parcels is worth $5.00 per year, plus a one time $12.00 per parcel BONUS to the town for signing on(if you will). That means the town of Masonville collects $21,267 for the first time it goes to 100% and $6,250 each year after as long as it maintains 100%. According to the Town Board, they authorize the assessor to do a re-eval and have "oversight" over the assessor. They also state they won't collect over and above the money that the Town of Masonville requires for it's budget??? If we were at 85%, that left 15% for our taxes to go up. I am hearing many that went up 50-100%. Someone flunked math! Most folks I know were dreading the 15% because our incomes surely don't go up with everything else! So just who DOES know what's REALLY going on here?? Anyone......I know many have not even received their notices yet in the mail, but the required date for folks to receive theirs WAS March 31.........What has happened to the lovely town of Masonville??????????
April 17, 2007 10:11:43 1/2 a Martini   Left Masonville about 5:30 Sunday evening it was raining. Were we hit bad with snow?
April 17, 2007 00:08:16 concerned   As Laura Denys is on the Board of Assessment review, Why don't we here from her voice. I have read the minutes and they explain nothing. When a situation is fully understood, nobody can accuse anybody of trying to pull the wool over your eyes. I am not accusing anyone of anything but I would like a comprehensive explanation as to why I am expected to hand over so much more money. How are these assesments made. I have heard that trailers and prefabs pay a higher tax rate then others. How about Rural, Farm, Seasonal and Non Seasonal? What is the formula? Gerald say that only downstaters will be able to buy here, I feel his pain but I'm afraid he is too optomistic. Downstaters are selling up here. Gas prices are to high for the long haul up here, NYC Watershed is to unfriendly and these high taxes when they get no services will be the straw that breaks the camels back.
April 16, 2007 10:53:41 Gerald Hughes   I thought the assessor was appointed by the board? And the board tells them what to do. Who appoints them? And i believe the term is up in sept of this year. And where did the money come from to buy equipment for the Highway dept? Did we take out a loan to buy this equipment? If our town is debt free then why is our Assessment going up? Sidney is going through the same process and according to most there taxes will be rising also. What is really going on here????
April 15, 2007 17:53:20 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net The minutes are posted on the official web site. www.masonville-ny.us This is not a dead issue. Alot of questions remain unanswered for myself and many others. I have attempted to explain what I know and will continue to do so as I get answers. There are alot of untrue rumors out there....please wait until all the facts are in.
April 15, 2007 15:47:17 Gerald Hughes   Thank you for your information, However, if i am reading my Assessment right, my taxes are going to increase over 300 dollars. It may seem small to some, but with everything else rising it makes it alot harder to survive. Does the assessor actually get out of the car and look at peoples houses? I have a small doublewide, with no foundation, no garage or a paved driveway. The only people that would be interested in my home, would be people from downstate, where the income is very well. Not like up here. And as i look around people from the city are moving up here because it is cheaper to live and i dont blame them. Jobs on the other hand are few to be found. Are we going to be forced to sell our properties and move, if our taxes keep going up and up? What is the solution? And when is it going to Plateau?
April 15, 2007 15:46:21 Gerald Hughes   Thank you for your information, However, if i am reading my Assessment right, my taxes are going to increase over 300 dollars. It may seem small to some, but with everything else rising it makes it alot harder to survive. Does the assessor actually get out of the car and look at peoples houses? I have a small doublewide, with no foundation, no garage or a paved driveway. The only people that would be interested in my home, would be people from downstate, where the income is very well. Not like up here. And as i look around people from the city are moving up here because it is cheaper to live and i dont blame them. Jobe on the other hand are few to be found. Are we going to be forced to sell our properties and move, if our taxes keep going up and up? What is the solution? And when is it going to Plateau?
April 15, 2007 09:50:07 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net Assessors are trained to be appraisal professionals; it is their job to make sure that the assessments are accurate and equitable, which provides the basis for fair distribution of taxes among the property owners within the assessing unit. Keeping assessments up-to-date each year is necessary for fair tax distribution. Next, keeping values up-to-date each year does not necessarily mean that your assessment will increase. Market values of properties may stay the same or go down, which means that some properties should see a decrease in assessed values. If your assessment does increase, it doesn’t mean that your taxes will automatically increase. In some cases, a municipality will go from a fractional level of assessment to 100 percent. If the original level of assessment was 10 percent, and the current level of assessment is 100 percent, your assessed value could go from $9,000 to $90,000, and you might not see any increase in taxes. In addition, if your assessment increases, but the assessments of most other properties increase more, your share of the taxes could decrease. For instance, if your assessment increased by 3 percent, but most other property owners saw increases of 5 percent, you’ll likely see a decrease in taxes (assuming your school and municipal budgets remain stable and the tax levy does not increase. I hope I am explaining this in a way that makes sense to most folks. When I opened my letter I was upset as well. I went up ALOT. BUT after reserching this I find that 1. being at 100% is the right thing for the town, 2. The tax assessor is doing her job (except for the late letters....that was inexcusable and steps have been taken to rectify that. 3. In the future we ( the town board and public in gereral)need better comunication and understanding with the assessors office. This last point is more dificult as an assessor, like a judge, operates independently from the board. While we have oversight responsibilities, we are prohibited from meddling in her affairs. Still, an effort to educate the public well before hand would relive alot of the stress associated with this type of thing. 4. Remember that there is in place a system to challenge your assessment. If you feel you are over assessed then use it. It is a simple process and made to provide checks and balences. 5. We are all in this together. None of us on the board want anything but the best for the town. We all live here too!! I will try to get the minuets up on the towns Official web site www.masonville-ny.us ASAP.
April 15, 2007 09:36:47 Grumpy Grumpy@MasonvilleNY.com Congrats to THE MASONVILLE GENERAL STORE on their new sign. Finally, everyone can see what that distinctive building at our "downtown" intersection is about! If you've never been inside, you owe yourself a visit to this real hometown store. Oh yeah, proprietess Kendal always has good coffee on.
April 15, 2007 09:24:15 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net In New York State, almost all property is assessed locally by assessors who are appointed or elected at the municipal level. The assessor's first step in assessing property is to determine the market value of the property. Market value is the price most people would pay for a property in its current condition. Information regarding the methods for determining market value is available in the Job of the Assessor. Once the assessor estimates the market value of a property, the assessment is calculated. The Real Property Tax Law requires all properties in each municipality (except in New York City and Nassau County) to be assessed at a uniform percentage of market value each year (see RPTL Sections 301 and 305). This means that all taxable properties in each city, town and village must be assessed at market value or all at the same uniform percentage of market value each year. Each assessor signs an oath to this effect when he or she certifies that the tentative assessment roll is uniform. State Law also requires assessors to include the estimate of market value and assessment for each property and the uniform percentage (or level of assessment) for all taxable property on the tentative assessment roll. Everyone pays his or her fair share of taxes as long as every property in a locality is assessed at the same percent of value.
April 15, 2007 00:19:31 perplexed   Why hasn't the town supervisor turned over the minutes of the meeting?
April 14, 2007 15:49:32 Gerald Hughes   I still do not understand why anyones assesment has to rise. For what reason? Who's salary is going up? Taxes are to high now, most people in this town live on a fixed income, Are we trying to drive everyone out? The assessment is for the towns revaluation project? What is that? And we should not be compared to Sidney, do we have the industry here that can offset the tax base? No we dont. I wish my income went up as fast as our school and property taxes do. Very frustrated..
April 12, 2007 14:45:19 George   I never said (see below) that taxes are not rising. They always will. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in a fantasy world. I said rising quickly. If you would like to talk about this more please e-mail or give me a call and identify yourself. It is hard to have an intellectual discussion with a mystery person.
April 12, 2007 00:27:57 concerned   Still waiting for the meetings of the april meeting, taxes aren't rising but assesments are doesn't sount quite right. my assesment clearly shows a $900. increase and I am quite concerned. Thought school districts were being consolidated in order to reduce taxes. Thought the school was being rented out to bring in additional income. Thought there was common sense in these hills.
April 10, 2007 23:05:14 Kendal Masonvillegeneralstore@frontiernet.net Hi Grumpy! Nice site and thanks for all the kind words :) Latiefa, if you get a chance I have lots of contacts for farm market contributors. I Think that's a great idea!
April 10, 2007 07:19:07 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net Good Morning, Taxes are not rising quickly....assesments are. Ou town budget remains the same. We can only collect the amount of the budget and not one penny more. To the other person who asked if the Money from the Grange went to pay down debt, no it did not. We have no debt. We may very well be the only Township in NYS that has no debt. If we don't have the money we don't spend it. It is in our savings where it belongs. As for the school system, well thats another matter. I think they feel that money comes from the money tree. That has to change and I hope folks get involved more to see that it does. We NEED to do away with the present inequitable tax system for good. Taxing a persons real property is a concept long outdated. Most contries around the world have abandond it long ago. In the mean time we will continue to remain debt free.
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