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October 19, 2011 16:10:04 TOM Webmaster   RE: Town Law One and Two. See Official Site For Oct 5, 2011 Agenda and Minutes.
October 19, 2011 11:59:39 what?   @;another resident; I think the point is it is a part time 'JOB', not her 'TIME OFF', that we should be grateful that she spends a little off her time doing the job she is paid for and elected to do. There is other part time jobs out there if she needs one to make ends meet. I think it important to note also that the dumb comment by 'resident' "This is very considerate of her to share her time off with the residents of Masonville.",more than likely wasn't made by our town clerk and might not reflect how she feels about the job. While sometimes she isn't available, and doesn't have set hours, anytime I've been to her house she was more than helpful and pleasant.
October 19, 2011 09:24:44 Not A Member Of The Board --- FYI   IN REPLY TO OCT 7, 2011 Posting: [Dear Craig or Any Of the TOM Board Members: We have 2 questions here & a few comments that we respectfully ask for your response here if you will: 1)Questions: A-Local Law #1 which was voted on last month-the Public Nuisance Law? - can you give us a Summary about it? Thanks. B-Local Law #2 also voted on last month-Appointed Officer Residency;brief summary? Thanks again.] INF. EXTRACTED: TRI-TOWN NEWS SEPT.27,2011 Masonville will hold two public hearings on Wednesday, Oct. 5 at 7:30 p.m. The fi rst is on a proposed Local Law #1, Public Nuisance Law. The intent of the law is to protect the public’s safety from public nuisances, fi re hazards, as well as the fi tness and integrity of buildings, structures and real property within commercial, residential, agriculture and any such zoning classifi cations in existence. The second hearing is on Proposed Law #2, Appointed Offi - cers Residency Law. The purpose of this law is to establish residency requirements for the appointed offi ces of assessor, code enforcement offi cer, dog control offi cer, and health offi - cer for the town of Masonville.
October 19, 2011 08:06:19 another resident   Our town clerk has done an excellent job with all she has to do and yes it is a part time job, how many others out there work 2 jobs to make ends meet? I do know that some do no work and expect the rest of us to support them, maybe they are the ones complaining, are they jealous because she has the ambition to do 2 jobs? Good Job to Pam Walker !
October 19, 2011 04:55:39 crzyflea   to what? - elected officials are typically considered part time until you get to the "big leagues" ie state and federal level. If I'm not mistaken the only exception to this in Masonville is Highway Superintendent.
October 19, 2011 00:15:47 what?   "This is very considerate of her to share her time off with the residents of Masonville." resident , on our town clerk.
October 19, 2011 00:13:17 what?   "This is very considerate of her to share her time off with the residents of Masonville." WHAT? are WE paying her for (our taxes!)than if it is just some time off?
October 19, 2011 00:09:51 what?   The last post sounds like we spent alot of money and now, \"there will be an office for the town clerk to use in the new building.\" \"she works a full time job\" \"available at all other times,\" \"This is very considerate of her to share her time off with the residents of Masonville.\" WHAT? I thought this is what WE paid her for!
October 18, 2011 21:07:18 resident   Yes, there will be an office for the town clerk to use in the new building. Keep in mind we may get better service the way things are now because she works a full time job and is available at all other times, just give her a call. This is very considerate of her to share her time off with the residents of Masonville.
October 18, 2011 16:55:00 Observer   I am aware that the offices candidates are hoping to win are small budget offices and most of the candidates are working full time jobs. This leaves very little time for campaigning. I also realize that these candidates have very little money to spend on getting elected. --- But it would be nice to know what these people stand for and why they feel they can do a better job than those already in office. ---- I recall only one ever stopping by asking for a vote and that was our Town Supervisor some years ago and maybe one other Council member may have stopped by. We do not get any mail from candidates, probably due to the fact we do not have a Masonville mailing address. This sorta makes for blind stab in the dark voting.
October 18, 2011 14:03:22 another reader   I got the flyer and it was the correct spelling. Maybe she caught herself after the first mailing. I went to the Delaware Board Of Elections website and it brought me back to this site! I did not see the list of people running. With the new town office, will there be an office for the town clerk in the building?
October 18, 2011 13:59:48 Reader   Drove down 206 a few minutes ago and it looks like Mormon Hollow Rd. is finally getting fixed up. Many trucks and other equipment are out there working. Nice to see the highway dept. doing road work again.
October 18, 2011 10:04:50 Reader   I received the same flyer for the write in. She may have made a typo, but our current Town Clerk has also if you look at the minutes. We all make mistakes or our spelling isn't great, but that doesn't mean we can't do the job, you just have to work a little harder at it.
October 18, 2011 08:27:10 Masonville Resident   It just goes to show how important it is to proof read everything we write, it really shows the kind of person we are. Some of the things written on this message board makes you wonder how they can come up with the words they use.
October 17, 2011 21:56:26 "Grumpy" Ernst Keidel Most of us Masonvillains probably got a flyer in the mail today, touting a write-in candidate for Town Clerk. I quote: "As Town Clerk I would be available to provide all the sevices of the office....." No, that is not MY typo; I didn't leave the r out of services. So, do we want a town clerk who doesn't proof-read her own ad copy?
October 17, 2011 20:32:10 bertimouse   All Yall gotta do is just visit Just One Town Board Meeting with all your Questions! The Next One is over 2 Weeks Away so Yall can Learn Up before yall get there by reading the past online. Yall can always Ask for & get a List there at the next meeting. PL&H Yall.
October 17, 2011 18:05:08 Need to vote   If you go to the Delaware Board Of Elections website it list who is running. For Council are 5 people, vote for two: Mike Spaccaforno, Steve Davis, Marie Sroka, Denis Burpoe, Jerri Brayman. There are other seats to vote for also.
October 17, 2011 17:36:59 Observer   RE: State Troopers being around the town of Masonville so much. "Sie tun, was das Beste für uns". (Germany 1936 in reference to the Geheime Staatspolizei, [Nazi State Police]). The State Police of the State of NY are not here because they feel they need to protect us from anything, although some extra safety may be a side effect of them being around so much. The SP are around because the State and local municipalities make money from tickets. Traffic infractions bring in a lot of money. It is just another tax. When we become to nonchalant about police presence we are opening ourselves to abuse by the same. Note that when you are traveling one of the interstates that the traffic continues to move at 80 and 90 miles an hour because the SP do not patrol those areas as much as they do secondary State Roads where it is easier to stop and ticket offenders.
October 17, 2011 15:10:35 just saying   As a retired NYS Court Clerk (25yrs) I know first hand the demand of working & maintaining court records is on the staff of any court. Whatever amount Mrs Burpoe is being paid for the tedious & tiring job that she is doing is probably small compensation at best. When the new Town Court is completed I suggest that you go and sit in on the court session & observe.
October 17, 2011 12:55:01 Masonville Resident   Denis Burpoe is running for council, signs are up around town.
October 16, 2011 20:45:31 MV Voter   What seats are we voting on this year? And who is running?
October 16, 2011 13:41:15 Kathy Ryan INDOOR YARD SALE - Mark your calendars for Sat. 10/22, 9am-1pm - Masonville Federated Church. Something for every one!! Light refreshments will available for sale. Tables still available for $10 each.
October 16, 2011 00:44:55 what?   what? Wasn't Masonville part of "Operation Crack Down,",an investigation that included participation by the Oneonta Police Department, state police, Delaware County Drug Task Force, Otsego County Sheriff's Department, United States Marshals Service, United States Immigration and Naturalization Service and the state National Guard Counter Drug Task Force.about 120 police officers arrested 35 suspected drug dealers, 4 lived in Masonville. Then not to long afterwords one of the biggest marijuana busts in NY history occurred in Masonville, anybody remember how many TONS of it was found on Butts road? Then, a elder couple, a couple of years ago was tied up and robbed right in the middle of Masonville. What? could be troop c's fascination with TOM? What? would they want to stake out TOM for? Are they only ticketing innocent people? happy resident wrote; If we are doing nothing wrong there is nothing to worry about. And I agree.
October 15, 2011 12:57:19 happy resident   Maybe we should be happy the State Police are around our small town, this should make it a lot safer place to travel and hopefully to live. If we are doing nothing wrong there is nothing to worry about.
October 15, 2011 11:58:36 Observer   "Put your mouth where your vote is" That does not make a whole lot of sense. Maybe putting your "vote" where your "mouth" is makes a tad more sense. Actually 40% of 450 voters is a pretty good average.
October 15, 2011 11:54:26 Observer   P.S. Their=there
October 15, 2011 11:53:29 Observer   Maybe the Masonville Town Court is busy because the State Police camp out on the roads in Masonville. I rarely go up Sidney mountain without seeing at least one State vehicle parked along the highway facing one direction or the other. Near Butts road on both State Route 8 and 206 seems to be favorite places. Their is a fairly good source of income for the town through traffic summonses for everything from speeding to broken license plate lights. In fact as I write this I am hearing the scanner a traffic stop near Butts road on Route 8.
October 15, 2011 09:13:09 STP   Why so active? for a little town ,thats a lot of cases.
October 15, 2011 08:22:19 Court Watcher   According to Delaware County our little court in the Town of Masonville on of the most active courts in the couty! It is like #5 out of 24 courts!!!!
October 15, 2011 04:38:52 bertimouse   TX: YUP. Out of maybe 450 supposed Permanent ResidentTOM registered Voters only about 40% of them vote because they don't give a Rat's A.
October 15, 2011 04:12:09 bertimouse   Why don't yall PUT YOU'R MOUTH where YOUR VOTE IS. Folks here need Folks that not ONLY speak up here but that also have the STAMINA.
October 14, 2011 10:07:31 Observer   Mrs. Burpoe is the clerk for the town court. She is required to be present when the judge is in court. The money is for her wages and, I suppose, her expenses in performing her duties. I would not think the money she gets is excessive considering the amount of work involved in her job. We are speaking of a court of law, an official body. She is not allowed very many errors in what she does. It can be a very demanding job. P.S. And the town court appears to be a very busy court.
October 13, 2011 23:35:27 Don   Sure, 550 to 1000 whatever. The number is always up there if you look on the minutes. But what's that 550 going to every month is the real question?
October 13, 2011 18:56:53 TX   WE ARE JUST LAZY,FOR TOWN MEETINGS.
October 13, 2011 16:34:32 what?   Your right Reader, Laurie Burpoe averages $550 a month for the last year. My comment that I found in the official minutes ( I figured there probably was a reason) was to maybe answer Phil\'s curiosity, not to upset anybody. I actually don\'t know what? she does. That\'s why I wrote WE should go to some town meetings so WE do not just \'wonder\' what is going on.
October 13, 2011 16:19:31 Library Patron   Over two weeks now and our Local Library Branch is not open for business. The main library says the \"Masonville Library is closed until future notice for repairs\" They would not comment on the kind of repairs! Does anyone have any more information on this matter? Thanks
October 13, 2011 09:07:41 Reader   I think people should check out the minutes on the official website and see that Mrs. Burpoe does not make $1000 per month.
October 12, 2011 23:50:30 what?   Nobody answered Phils question about; "Just out of curiosity, for what is Laurie Burpoe paid nearly 1000 dollars for every month?" STATE OF NEW NEW January 5, 2011 COUNTY OF DELAWARE TOWN OF MASONVILLE RECOMMENDED MOTIONS: 10. Upon recommendation of the Town Supervisor; it is recommended to appoint Laurie Burpoe as Town Court Clerk for the 2011 calendar year. So moved by George Denys, seconded by Kathy Ryan, all in favor carried.,,, Other than this I really don't know either,maybe WE should go to some town meetings so WE do not just 'wonder' what is going on.
October 12, 2011 09:45:29 TX-1   Hey Les you are right,I always hope noone had ordered mint or peanut butter before me,some times you get coffe or chocolate or anything else at the bottom.
October 11, 2011 22:58:26 Les   If you count the little extra that you get to taste at the bottom of your cone , I may have tasted all 52 flavors in the last thirty plus years of eating ice cream there, but I can't confirm it. That is just too many flavors to be sure of!
October 11, 2011 17:46:45 Observer   I wonder if anyone has ever tried all the flavors and mixtures one can get down there at the ice cream shop? If you tried it in one summer you would blow up like a balloon.
October 11, 2011 13:51:48 TX-1   Just let the poor old lady alone,she worked all summer for you guys,making your ice creams with rainbow sprinkles and all.
October 11, 2011 11:30:59 JR   Ice Cream Shop : They shall have it open for atleast bow season, and the first week of rifle season. So we can still enjoy thier great ice cream.
October 10, 2011 18:20:00 Part-Timer   Crzyflea,I agree with you 100%,but the weather still warm and opening wknd still not that bad,anyway we enjoyed it a lot this year
October 10, 2011 13:28:55 crzyflea   Re: ice cream shop - it would be lovely to see it stay open later into the season(s) but I would hazard a guess that they'd have to do some work on the building to be able to do that. I've a strong suspicion its not fully insulated and that they probably are getting ready to drain the pipes. Consider too heating considerations would have to bite into potential profits from staying open later and dropping attendance despite a potential shift in focus for the season. To be blunt, to run the full hunting/fall/winter season would probably not be economically advisable even if the heating and such isn't a factor. Opening day might be a consideration or even the entire opening weekend but then there is the traditional church fundraiser meal to take into consideration also. Furthermore they have other jobs for the off season to consider I'm sure, and after all the hard work they put in making a great summer destination available locally for us to savor and enjoy they too deserve some downtime as much as we'd love to see it open longer they too deserve some just desserts and a vacation.
October 10, 2011 11:25:35 Les   Agreed Observer, our politicians do not seem capable of fixing our economy. We have had three years of 'change' and the unemployment rate has went up. I do like republican candidate Herman Cain so far. He says he can fix the economy "It's not rocket science", he should know,he was a rocket scientist for the Navy, and a mathematician, grew up dirt poor and now is a successful businessman. Bringing more than one company from bankruptcy to profitability.
October 10, 2011 11:15:45 Les   I agree, Part-Timer. I don't know how much business the ice cream place would get, but it would be a great stop for hunters for lunch or coffee, and don't forget about the snowmobilers!
October 10, 2011 10:35:42 Observer   It is said that if one put 10,000 monkeys in a room with 10,000 typewriters they would eventually come up with the Great American Novel. Why not try that with congress? We could send 10,000 monkeys to Washington and maybe they would come up with a solution to our problems. Obviously the idiots we have there now are not able too.
October 10, 2011 10:33:26 Observer   Ice cream place closing! The official sign that winter is on its way!! (SIGH)
October 10, 2011 10:32:25 Part-Timer   Why dont they stay open thru hunting season,with coffe,donuts,sandwiches,breakfast,lunch for the hunters,etc,etc.
October 10, 2011 10:27:42 Part-Timer   Is there anything good to buy @ the General Store,whats in there anyway?
October 10, 2011 09:03:55 wondering   Is there anyone new running for a position on the Masonville town board or are we all set for this year?
October 10, 2011 00:54:04 Phil   Just out of curiosity, for what is Laurie Burpoe paid nearly 1000 dollars for every month?
October 09, 2011 18:24:05 Observer   After church today my wife and traveled down to Starlight PA (where my mother was born right after turn of the century 1901) We had lunch at the Inn at Starlight Lake. Across the lake is still located the house one of my aunts owned up until about 1947. She owned the lake at the time. Several people were out on the lake sailing and we were watching them from the dining area. The hills around the lake have reached their fall color peak. Very beautiful place really. Coming back we traveled through North Sanford and onto Delaware County Route 20 and I stopped at the top of Beach Hill and took some pictures out through the valley. The sun was hitting just right to make the colors stand out. But, I fear this is the last of what color we will have around here this year. I never cease to marvel at the precise and delicate way our Almighty God has put His creation together. I travel Route 8 between here and Mount Upton each day of the week and I note how healing has already began in the areas ravished by the recent winds and flooding. Once again something to marvel at when we think how God directs his creation.
October 09, 2011 17:58:55 Observer   Here I am with a dozen cameras and videos and one day I am going to be in the right place at the right time and get a picture of the "evil Masonville bear".
October 09, 2011 17:25:53 crzyflea   Saw a bear over in the Adkins Marsh area Thursday for those who are on bear watch. Not really all that far afield for it to be the "wicked shear bear" or one of its relatives. He or she is looking fat and happy and ready for the winter nap.
October 08, 2011 23:28:43 what?   Dear O; I look foward to reading your posts. So please don't stop. Your posts October 05, 2011 12:03:24, and October 08, 2011 14:55:08, where spot on, Thanks!
October 08, 2011 22:06:02 bertimouse   Dear O: After a Hard Day's work wherever we are M-S we are definitely NOT into responding to your Long Debates. Sorry but we Don't Bite. Go Fish with some other Folks willing to waste their time, eh? Neighbor: PEACE. All will be Well, Always. :)
October 08, 2011 14:55:08 Observer   I would like to recommend a couple of books to you readers. Number one is a book entitled "Bonhoeffer Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy." By Eric Metaxas. Dietrich Bonhoeffer was a German Lutheran pastor who lived during the Nazi regime in Germany. Bonhoeffer was a scholar and theologian. He broke away from the "official" church of Nazi Germany and formed a Church opposed to Hitler. He was involved in plots to get rid of Hitler including the July 20 Plot for which he was arrested and sent to a concentration camp and later brutally hanged for his part in the plot. The second book I would like to recommend is entitled " Understanding the Arab World" by Louis Bahjat Hamada. Mr. Hamada is from Lebanon and is a converted Muslim. He came from one of the ruling families of Lebanon. Mr. Hamada is now a Christian but maintains close ties with his country and the Arab world through mission work. In his book he traces the roots of the Arab nations through God's Word and attempts to dispel some preconceived notions Westerners have about the Arabs. One interesting thing he points out is the need for USA to get back to what it is best at. Acting as a peace maker and not taking sides and also its history of delivering the Gospel.
October 08, 2011 10:15:16 Observer   Bertimouse - I guess you must be seeing something I am not seeing. How does my discussions on this board stop anyone from discussing whatever they want? You mention several people "tried" to change the subject. Well, what was stopping anyone, who so desired, from taking part in their subject? I noted several people who asked questions but seems no one had the answer for them. Hunting etc. was mentioned and apparently no one was interested, at the time, in discussing that subject. You say I am such a bully. How is my discussing anything on this board making me a bully? Am I forcing anyone to read my posts? Am I forcing anyone to join the discussion? If you wish to get personal I will say your posts, for the most part, are almost unreadable. You seem to spend most of your posts on "sucking up" to the local board officials and mentioning ridiculous ideas that no one appears to be the slightest interested in. Your posts do not bother me and I do not care what you post. If you have those reading your posts and joining you in your discussion that is great and that is what this board is about. So, I would request the same courtesy from you. Obviously you do not like the subjects I post so, as I said do not read them. My free speech has reached a screech? I am not sure what that means but I will say I hope everyone's free speech is never silenced. In closing Bertimouse I will say you are NOT the moderator of this forum nor do you select the subjects to be discussed nor who will do the discussing. With that thought in mind just ignore the posts you do not want to read and join in the discussion of those posts you do want to read.
October 07, 2011 23:11:58 bertimouse   We would like to say here that although we don't post much anymore because TG we have demanding Jobs that we both Love, unfortunately it brings us both across 9 different counties with allot of driving time and allot of time spent apart away from our beloved Home Here. Between us we've seen the Worst of every Flood Everywhere since Sept. 10th. this Year. Excuse Us if sometimes we think the posts here are Pretty much Petty. The TOM dodged this Bullet by only about 10 miles do YALL know that? Someone in MV should try to organize something to help out the poor Folks either in Schoharie or Broome County - our Neighbors Now before the winter. You Know; just a thought here for someone not doing anything right now that er, has some Spare Time?
October 07, 2011 22:04:02 bertimouse   One More Question to any TOM Board Member or Craig: -About the Special Needs Transportation Mandate by NYS Government: We understand that you opposed it for good reasons here. Our question is: Out of the 19 Towns in Delaware County, How Many Supervisors in which Towns Opposed you? We Approve what you do for us but wonder what the issues are for other Towns?
October 07, 2011 21:56:51 bertimouse   Dear Craig or Any Of the TOM Board Members: We have 2 questions here & a few comments that we respectfully ask for your response here if you will: 1)Questions: A-Local Law #1 which was voted on last month-the Public Nuisance Law? - can you give us a Summary about it? Thanks. B-Local Law #2 also voted on last month-Appointed Officer Residency;brief summary? Thanks again.
October 07, 2011 21:49:59 bertimouse   Hi What. We L(Heart)TOM for all they do & all our Neighbors in MV wherever they are. You have good comments Neighbor. It's nice to hear that someone else appreciates the Hwy. Dept. eh? We went & read the whole Sept. post by the TOM board mtg. too bad only 7 Public Folks showed up but so glad that they post it here. CUDO'S to the TOM SECY for her most excellent spelling & very timely posting nowadays. You deserve a Raise & we would Vote for that for you. Thanks for all you've done & your most excellent improvement, eh? :)
October 07, 2011 21:15:15 bertimouse   Dear O: Yall are sounding like Such a Bully! Why can't yall tone it down some, eh? Do ya notice how several other Folks have er tried to change the subject here? Why do yall feel the need to Harp on such stuff that clearly not many other Folks want to comment about? -Just saying Neighbor that your Free Speech is Screech at the moment...give it a rest for these Beautiful Days. :)
October 07, 2011 20:09:48 what?   Just read Sept. minutes, FLOORTIME: 2. Would like to thank our Supervisor Dumond and all Highway Dept. employees for their work on our Town Hall. Thanks guys for saving the town some money!
October 07, 2011 17:47:05 Observer   "Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region" John Adams 2nd President of the USA. ---- "And as it is our duty to extend our wishes to the happiness of the great family of man, I conceive that we cannot better express ourselves than by humbly supplicating the Supreme Ruler of the world that the rod of tyrants may be broken to pieces, and the oppressed made free again; that wars may cease in all the earth, and that the confusions that are and have been among nations may be overruled by promoting and speedily bringing on that holy and happy period when the kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ may be everywhere established, and all people everywhere willingly bow to the sceptre of Him who is Prince of Peace." Samuel Adams ---- "Cursed be all that learning that is contrary to the cross of Christ." James Madison
October 07, 2011 10:48:57 Observer   Bertimouse there is a feature incorporated into this forum. It is called "don't read the post". Try it. It works great!! In the meantime and until the owner of this site brings it to a halt I will discuss anything I so desire with anyone I so desire. P.S. NUFF SAID!!
October 06, 2011 23:27:57 bertimouse   p.s. NUFF SAID!
October 06, 2011 23:26:09 bertimouse   Enough here to C & O with Your Religious mews mixed with Political Diatribes Back & Forth to only you both! Get A Room Already If You Want to debate between yourselves about Your Own Views Already! UGH ENOUGH HERE WE SAY! 225 WORD LIMIT REMEMBER? STOP, PLEASE! THANK YOU BOTH FOR YOUR KIND FUTURE CONSIDERATION TO ALL OF YOUR MESSAGE BOARD NEIGHBORS. There are so many more fun & interesting things to talk about here, eh?
October 06, 2011 19:35:46 town resident   Did anyone spend some time outside today and enjoy the beautiful weather?
October 06, 2011 16:08:38 Part -Timer   All this guys have gone crazy about religion,remember religion was made up by man to control man.wake up people ,stop such a nonsense. Lets talk about the weather,hunting,snow,any thing.get out of it. Hey any news about the Evil Bear lately?
October 06, 2011 08:48:07 Masonville Resident   Anyone new running for town board or other positions this year? Seems like the current board is doing a great job. Missed the meeting last night, anything exciting going on?
October 05, 2011 23:55:46 what   Some quotes from our Founding Fathers;In his speech on May 12, 1779, George Washington claimed that what children needed to learn “above all” was the “religion of Jesus Christ,” and that to learn this would make them “greater and happier than they already are.”- George Washington, speech to the Delaware Indian Chiefs, May 12, 1779. “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”“Congress passed this resolution: “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.” - United States Congress 1782“By Law the United States Congress adds to US coinage:” “In God We Trust”- United States Congress 1864“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” - John Adams Education is useless without the Bible. The Bible was America’s basic text book in all fields. God’s Word, contained in the Bible, has furnished all necessary rules to direct our conduct. - Noah Webster“This nation under God” - Abraham Lincoln, Gettysberg Address and inscribed on Lincoln Memorial United States Supreme Court “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of The Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation” - United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892
October 05, 2011 23:42:03 what?   @crzyflea; I have read all your posts and find them educational. I just think you should stay with the positive and stop with the negative. Every time you post there is a good and a bad.And the bad you portray is still religion. As a deist you say you believe in a divine spirit but not in organized religion or the history behind it? What? do you consider organized,a bunch of people who get together and go to church? Deists are as hypocritical as it gets, yet you are more than welcome here ,that is the great thing about America, freedom of religion ,not freedom from religion.
October 05, 2011 20:27:51 Observer   It is a sad commentary on the age we now live in when one forms a dislike for a person based on his or her beliefs. If one is not a social and political and religious liberal in America today that person has no rights of opinion or standing in the eyes of those who are liberal in belief. As a self professed Christian conservative I supposedly have no right to comment on our government or moral standards. I must sit quietly in my church and stay out of the social and political arena. I, as a Christian, am not supposed to have an opinion. Especially on such issues as abortion or corrupt politics. And for heavens sake never, never, never attempt to share my spirituality with anyone as it will offend them. I must be satisfied to accept the ridicule of those more "liberated" and "progressive" than I. For after all I am just a buffoon following a mystical character from a fictional book.
October 05, 2011 19:15:44 crzyflea   Observer - I am sorry if you saw my attempts at debate as personal attacks. That was not intended. I don't see you in Washington greasing palms, or bombing abortion clinics in the name of your god. There are people who do. It is those things that people do and then say they did it in the name of their religion that make any religion look bad. Deists have faith in a divine spirit, humanists do not; I am a Deist so please quit labeling me wrongly. Don't belittle my belief because I've affronted yours by pointing out where people who are NOT you have used something you share in common for things that you yourself might not even condone. I also did not say -all-, I said most which is a heavier leaning of some than a few but not quite a middle ground of it. I am sorry too that you think I consider you stupid. I do not. I lament that the youth today do not have as solid of an education as we could hope. And in that I fear for our future because they will be easily manipulated by the mechanisms I've described in previous posts. If nothing else, I hope that from our bickering here perhaps some young person comes along, reads it and decides to dig deeper, so that they find their own perfect personal truth - and that it enriches their life, as mine does mine, and yours does you. And that perhaps, just maybe they leave their quest to understand both sides with a little more knowledge, and perhaps are informed when it comes time to vote in elections down the road.
October 05, 2011 18:31:03 Observer   Oh the wonderful life of the humanist. We are here by accident and intended to fill out the food chain and produce the next generation.
October 05, 2011 18:05:03 Observer   Crazyflea _ Ok I will call a truce. I admit I am stupid and a threat to all the world due to my belief in Christ. I give you this world. You non-believers have done a wonderful job so far in advancing it. So, let's leave it that way. I am happy with my situation and obviously while it may annoy you that I am; I plan on continuing. P.S. You might reread our founding fathers. SOME were deists NOT all.
October 05, 2011 17:01:00 crzyflea   Observer you are not seeing what I am saying. I do not say I am not a believer in a religion. I am, I do not consider myself however a Christian, I will however defend your right to be one, just as I will defend anyone's right to be a Muslim or a Jew, to follow Native religions, be a Satanist, or even be an atheist. However - I will not be persuaded to be misinformed, or roll over when I see -any- religion pushing is agendas in the political arena. It just so happens that currently it is certain sects of christian origin. They could move some of these same agendas without using their religion as the whip to drive it, and then I would have no cause to be alarmed. There-in lays the difference! Would you be so offended if someone were saying that muslims were trying to reform the nation? Most aren't bothered by that being brunted about and many who aren't obama supporters will rally around the president's religious ideology as a cornerstone of their denounciations and mudslinging (and it doesn't matter if I or you support obama or not, its mudslinging that goes on there). The language used in the declaration and the constitution is of Deist origin. The constitution never mentions god, the declaration only once, in deist terminology. There is no mention of Jesus, Moses or the Bible beyond -that- one call upon the God of Nature. The term "God of Nature" is open to any path. It could mean the christian god, it could mean the native peoples spirits of nature, it could even Gaea for those who want to view the divine as a feminine. A quick search on google will show you multitudes of information that confirms that the majority of the founding fathers were not christians, but rather deists. The wording is "God of Nature" not Christian god, or Jehovah or Allah because it is more encompassing to all religions. In God we trust was not added to our money until in coin until the late 1800s and to paper money until the mid 1900s. God was not mentioned in the pledge of allegiance until 1954. As it does not name a particular sect of any religion these mottos on money or in the pledge are in essence neutral. In early america to have any societal influence you had to be a member of the dominant church. For many founding fathers this was the only brush with christianity they actually had. For sociological-political gain! Read some letters from various of our founding fathers to one another, read the treaty of tripoli. You'll see it in plain words. Words that were written during Washington's Presidency and signed to under Adams. Prayer in the opening of congress - is traditional but is NON denominational. This is based again in history. The first legislative action taken by the continental congress was a motion to open this first session in prayer. The motion was opposed. Not however because of separation of church and state, but because there were people of many different churches present. Eventually a prayer was done even then, after discussion - because our founding fathers were open minded enough to accept that one man's truth does not negate or invalidate another's nor impinge upon his own simply by being witness to its rites, acts, or embrace. That original prayer was indeed coached in very christian terms but the intent was not to establish christianity as the official religion of the nation. Else why go on to in the first amendment to outline no spiritual precedence to any particular faith. That prayer in congress continues to be neutral in that it is given by different denominations at times. Granted, there is a chaplin elect and typically a christian sect, but there are guests who may be doctors, rabbis, laymen etc etc. The terminology is generally well thought out and inoffensive to anyone with a spiritual heart. Jefferson felt so strongly that the bible was not divinely inspired, in fact that it was so violent and degrading of the image of god that he went through it and removed parts, creating what is known now as the Jefferson Bible. My personal experiences with christianity are that it requires blind faith for it is truth, with Judaism that it promotes questioning of faith in order to find truth. Of the two, which of the two embrace free will more? To me, the answer is Judaism. So too, there are more similarities to Deism in Judaism. Thus, I like our founding fathers am a Deist. And to end with something of humor. If not for cheeseburgers and pork rinds I'd be a Jew.
October 05, 2011 16:39:32 TX-1   Why cant we all get alone with each other,HEY at the end we will all die,think for a moment.
October 05, 2011 15:18:11 Observer   crzyflea - Then we are to assume that all the references to Deity by our founding fathers is either just a figment of our imagination or were planted there by "religionists" in some nefarious plot? I am not going to waste space in listing references to deity by George Washington alone; let alone many other founding fathers. (You can Google that yourself). I would gather from your posting that persons (such as myself) who have a love of the Lord are then the reason for all the problems we see in society today? According to your reading of history our country was intended to be neutral in its approach to religion. Why then would we include "In God We Trust" on our coinage? Why would our very Declaration of Independence call upon God? Why do we start sessions of Congress with what passes for prayer? Why is God referred to in many many speeches and writing coming out of our government? Yes, the Bill of Rights declare the federal government will establish NO church or religion. It does NOT say that all of us who have a church or a spiritual belief are second class citizens with no say in the government. You have your right NOT to believe. That is your right. You have the right to expound on that belief. But, a Christian does not have the same rights? Myself as a Born again Christian must be silent and not speak of it? Why this difference? To say ones religion is a private thing is hogwash. There has been more words written and spoken about religion than any other subject in history. Hardly a private thing. While those with humanist tendencies (such as yourself) have preached their form of religion since the beginning of time and made every attempt to eradicate what you call religion it has not worked. In Israel one can be arrested and put in jail for witnessing Jesus Christ; still many Jews are accepting their messiah. In many Muslim countries one can be put to death for witnessing Christ but yet within those countries Christianity is growing. Now within this country many humanists such as yourself would institute laws preventing Christians from witnessing Christ. It is being done little by little by removing God and Christ from everything including this forum it would seem. Yes, I am certain I am probably in the very small minority in this community who profess following Jesus Christ it does not mean I am a second class citizen or ignorant fool. I am not going to go into education but to say my education both secular and religious goes far beyond the high school level. You mention in your post that anyone who believes as I do does not read or understand history. Well, in this case you are very very incorrect. In 1935 the Nazi's instituted the Nuremberg Laws in the Third Reich preventing Jews from citizenship and the right to take part in government. Is that what you are aiming for with Christians?
October 05, 2011 13:52:05 crzyflea   I'm sorry that people misunderstood what I was saying. I've no issue with Spiritual religion. What I do have issue with is Corrupted religion, with those that hide behind the letter of, and not the spirit of, their path and use it as both shield when stood up to, and sword when they see a place to attack from. Religion and religion in politics is always a hotbed of discussion. You can see it at work even within our own government through the ages, and especially now with the number of religious reformist activists with backing or power and their aims at changing the public view of the US and founding fathers to having this be considered a Christian nation founded with a biblical intent. It is anything but that when you look to the intent of the founding fathers and at historical documents that expressly state that the notion is contrary to the founding principles. The nation is entirely designed to be religiously neutral. It was far too evident to the founders of the nation, (and should be evident to us just from reading the posts prior to this!) that religion where opinions vary is a sure way to start an argument. The revisionist movement's had some success, which is what springboards so many of the outcries and upset that come whenever a branch of government puts into law that is not in line with biblical beliefs, or the Supreme Court hands down a judgement that prevents intrusion of church into state you'll see rabid discussion and protest that they're going against the intents of the founding fathers. Sadly, its the farthest thing from the truth but few are aware of it now because not many are deeply enough versed in historical knowledge. A lack of in depth knowledge and understanding of our own history be it social, political or ideological has in a very real sense left the barn door open for the nation to become what it is today. Sadder yet is that if, as some believe, this nation is in its twilight, that history will look back and see the current trend as a bullet-point in a list of self inflicted injuries that precipitated the fall. We can only hope that this trend isn't a lasting one, but a passing one that becomes instead a footnote in the history of a standing nation rather than a bullet point for a fallen one.
October 05, 2011 12:11:02 Grumpy Ernst Keidel Resident: "Anything happy going on in Masonville today?" Yes, the Town Council Meeting! See you there?
October 05, 2011 12:03:24 Observer   Of course the Qu'ran and the Torah have great similarities which apply also to the Christian Old Testament. Both the Arabs and the Jews come from the same stock, Abraham. The Arabs through Ishmael son of Hagar, the handmaiden of Sarah, fathered by Abraham. While the Jews through Abraham and Sarah by way of Isaac. God promised Hagar in the wilderness that He would make a great nation of Ishmael, the Arab nations. He did as well as making a great nation of Isaac, the chosen people the Jews. Of course the gentiles were brought into the flock by the atoning death of Jesus Christ on the Cross. Essentially the Qu'ran and the Torah (first five books of the Christian Old Testament) say pretty much the same thing. It was not until the 6th century (about 535 A.D. that Mohammand came about and wrote the Qu'ran in arabaic and the great movement of the Muslims began.) While the failure of the Jews to recognize thier messiah when he arrived on the scene God closed their eyes to the truth and opened the gates to the Gentile nations. While all Arabs are not Muslim nor are all Muslims Arab the growth of Islam is the greatest in the fertile crescent of the Middle East. Salvation is open to the Arab and the Jew as well as the Gentile through the atoning blood of Christ. The Muslim recognize Jews and Christians as "people of the Book". They also recognize Jesus as being born of a virgin and a great prophet of Allah (God) but do not accept his Sonship.
October 05, 2011 11:17:32 what?   @crzyflea; I understand what your saying and somewhat agree.And your joke was a little humorous. I just took a little offense to your choice of words and what you wrote October 03. It seems religion is always on the defense from people attacking those who choose to believe,whatever the religion.This isn't what America is about, it's about freedom of religion not from religion. And yes we all have the right to our opinion whatever it may be.
October 05, 2011 11:10:04 TX-1   WOW!! this place had not been this hot since the ragheads training camps,on State Land by Shears, WOW!!
October 05, 2011 11:05:11 resident   anything happy going on in Masonville today?
October 05, 2011 11:02:00 Don't Hate   What? I was taking my cue from the ridicule and the obvious hatred expressed by yourself and crzyflea when anything of a religious nature was mentioned. Sorry if I was wrong about you.
October 05, 2011 10:52:02 what?   Don't Hate; NO I am NOT part of the American Nazi party.The American Nazi party, (they endorsed Obama) are the exact opposite of my very conservative political views.What? have I written would even give you the faintest idea that I believe in socialism?
October 05, 2011 10:00:53 Don't Hate   Just wondered, as ridicule is frequently used by the ANP against those they might not agree with. I noted you both were using ridicule against a person who expressed a spiritual idea of sin being the root of the problems of the world. But, I am sure that person is used to being ridiculed and relegated to a fool if he dares have an idea or thought contrary to the accepted in this country.
October 05, 2011 05:09:15 crzyflea   @don't hate - absolutely not, I am a Deist, much like many of our country's founding fathers. However that was a very nice knee jerk reaction to try to start fires though. One of the things I love (sarcasm) about this guestbook/message board is the way people like to sling trigger words around. ................................... @what? - I think you misunderstand my assertion. I don't blame religion in and of itself. Spiritually embraced, without any other influences religion of -any- sort is just fine. But all too often religion is abused by those who crave power. Power and humility do not mix. They do not make good bedfellows. Too often religion is used as a goad that leads to travesty. I feel that its the fanatical, those who will twist and turn their religion, whatever it may be to suit their agendas and use it as a springboard for atrocities to be the source of that corruption and thus turn religion from something that is good to a root of evil. People pick and choose what parts they think are right, or more right, and that is fine until they do one of two things: force it on others or mix it with politics. The problems only arise when they try to impose their particular beliefs on others who do not share their subset of view. For example, the Catholic and Protestant issues in Ireland. Politics plays its hand but religion does as well one acting as fuel the other as vehicle. So too there is the dividing line within Islam between fanatics (who typically make up the terrorist cells like Al Quada) and the general Muslim community which adheres to a more fundamental view of the Koran which is quite peaceful. Israel and Palastine - is not religion the fuel that is thrown on the flames to keep that ablaze? Stepping back though, and looking at the religious teachings themselves the Koran and the Torah have a remarkable set of similarities when studied with an open mind. Oddly enough Christianity is 'odd man out' more often than not of the three facets of that particular religious set when it comes to daily life mores. You can take non fanatics from any of them and get together and have a decent, civil discussion until you have a fanatic thrown in. Fanatics are blind to any potential 'other' truths than those spoon fed to them by someone with an agenda other than the common morality and ethics that all of mankind can find pious no matter the religious trappings placed upon it to teach it. They are also the ones who fall victim to those who crave power. As soon as politics mix with religion you have the makings of a dictatorship or a cult which will use religion as a tool to whip the population into a shape or form or even a frenzy. They will push themselves forward as a religious leader, as a prophet, as 'god touched' if it will help them to sway fanatics of whichever path who they then turn into tools and weapons. "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil — that takes religion" - Steven Weinberg Furthermore, Frederick Douglass asserted that a religious slaveholder is a worse master than one who is not overly pious. As the religious man could view himself as having a god given right to punish the sons of Ham. "I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ; I therefore hate the corrupt, slave-holding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land." Frederick Douglass. Suicide bombings are political acts performed by religiously devout fanatics. "Such evil deeds could religion prompt." Lucretius........................... Summation: religion is a two sided coin. Spiritual religion is good, no matter what face it takes. However in this day and age religion too often is colored by politics and when it is, I firmly stand by the idea that it can be a taproot of evil by the sheer fact that it has been corrupted by something outside of itself.
October 05, 2011 00:22:45 what?   crzyflea; I guess you didn't get my point. I completely disagree with you. You wrote "the root of all evil is religion"," mythical omniscient person(s).""dogma".,,,,I wrote "Who are we to judge or criticize other religions.Religious freedom is a basic human right that can't be taken away by anyone regardless of what the faith is." And it can't be taken away by those who choose not to believe.,,,,"If one's mind is full of hatred, anger, and jealousy then it is a torture to oneself as well as brings destruction to the society,Morality or religion helps in reducing corruption cases and where there is no morality, there are more corruption cases," said the Dalai Lama.
October 05, 2011 00:05:17 what?   what?
October 04, 2011 18:30:25 don't hate   What and crazyflea are you members of the American Nazi party?
October 04, 2011 08:32:44 crzyflea   what? that is entirely my point. Sadly people use the trappings of religion to judge one another. Puts me in mind of a joke I heard once upon a time. It went something along the lines of: "A Jew, a Muslim, a Pagan and a Christian all die and meet St Peter at the Pearly Gates. St.P takes the Christian in hand first and winks at the other three. Leads the Christian through and down a hall, to a room, opens the door and sends him in, bidding him welcome to heaven. He then returns and asks the other three to join him to walk down the same hall. Bids them to ask any questions they might have and they talk for a good while. One of the three asks 'why so many different doors?' to which St.P replies. 'there is a different heaven for each religion.' They walk a bit further and St. P puts a finger to his lips 'shhh, we're passing the Christian door' All draw quiet as they slip by it. After a few more moments one of the three asks. 'why did you quiet us when we passed that door?' St. P replies with a smile. "they think they're the only ones who get here so we wouldn't want to dissuade them of that idea would we?"
October 04, 2011 01:00:33 what?   crzyflea;"I wonder how many religions, denominations and sects claim to know the only way to God, and promise that all who follow their rules will be among the chosen few who will share the glory of heaven for eternity? It seems that the number of such exclusive faith groups has grown with the passage of time, but thankfully there has also been an increase in the number of people who recognize that a God of love who created all of us would not be so selective."Emily VanLaeys,,,Who are we to judge or criticize other religions.Religious freedom is a basic human right that can't be taken away by anyone regardless of what the faith is.,,,"This is my simple religion. There is no need for temples; no need for complicated philosophy. Our own brain, our own heart is our temple; the philosophy is kindness." Dalai Lama
October 03, 2011 21:34:36 voter   any thing interesting going on in the local elections for Masonville next month?
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