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August 29, 2012 22:28:32 J. Barrett Wolf Message Board Test
August 29, 2012 13:14:49 Denis Burpoe   I will be running for a position as a member of Town Councilman as a write in Candidate this November.I will be looking foward for the opportunity to represent all the people of Masonville.
August 29, 2012 03:57:56 what?   I love to eat venison. The antlers are just for stirring the pot. This just means some of the deer will have three points on a side before they get shot.
August 28, 2012 20:45:17 Mike Collison   So on a non political note how do you guys feel about the 3 points on one side restriction by DEC?
August 27, 2012 20:40:28 Observer   Zoning is almost always an attempt by an individual or group of individuals to position themselves to some perceived advantage over everyone else. What advantage is this group looking for? It could not possibly be over gas drilling? Nah, never happen. No one in this town would take advantage.
August 27, 2012 20:04:43 Robert Beards   I doubt many believe the Masonville 1st party represents anyone with views even vaguely similar to those expressed on this board. We formed the party last year to find the common ground between the obvious extreme positions. Many long time residents agree with us that being asleep at the wheel instead of making preparations is not a good plan. They just don't seem to care that a newer resident may have said it first. It's just plain sense. Setting aside our state-granted municipal legal tools and letting Albany and deep pocketed vested interests make all the important decisions regarding Masonville's future? Not a good idea. Dreaming of potential economic benefits while doing no planning to position Masonville to best take advantage of them. Not even a plan, really. The town holds the reins, should it let the horse drive?
August 27, 2012 19:30:13 Denis   Reasonable, Thank You.
August 27, 2012 19:03:34 one resident   The important thing to remember when voting is, do you like the way our town is being run now by the town board we have representing us, or do you want zoning and other actions which will change our ways for ever? This should not take a lot of thought, just common sense. Please give this election a lot of thought and do not go by who is running , but by what they stand for with the welfare of our town at risk.
August 27, 2012 11:14:23 Reasonable   Hi Denis - We are all locals and I am sorry for not articulating myself the way I should have. I think \"Home Town\" said it best. It is unfortunate that the minority of individuals that want to take our Town in the wrong direction all happen to be from down-state. I am sorry for broad brushing everyone together. The majority of the down-state folks (or from elsewhere) that have moved here are considered \"locals\" as they share the same \"local\" values and desires as the majority of us here in the Town. This election will actually be more about the future mentality and direction of the Town rather than residents origin. Again, I apologize for this as some of my closest neighbors are friends from elsewhere and I would never would want them offended or anyone else for that matter.
August 27, 2012 07:44:27 Denis Burpoe   Reasonable how do you become a local. Do they vote, how many are there. Can I become one.
August 26, 2012 15:30:29 Observer   I will vote for whom ever puts a sound system in the town meeting room. LOL LOL !!
August 26, 2012 08:06:41 Denis Burpoe   I also will be running for a Town Board seat.I will be knocking on your doors to talk to the People of Masonvill this Fall.
August 26, 2012 07:48:57 Home Town   I think I understand what Reasonable is saying about certain outsiders coming in and taking over. It isnt everyone, heck, some of my best neighbors have moved here from downstate. Many of them moved here for a reason...the same reason why us oldtimers continue to live here...little retrictions and the freedom to love life as we chose with little government interference. The were tired of the NYC mentality and government telling them how tolive their lives, what color their front door should be, etc. and wanted a change! I think we can all agree on that. The folks Reasonable is talking about are not these people but rather a small group of individuals who come into a long-established community and want to change everything. It has happened all over and we cannot let it happen here. These folks represent a very small minority of our community but have the intellegence, arrogance and money to run rough shod over most of us laid bck individuals. I have seen this in action at the Board meetings and it is not pretty. It is clear they want everything their way and do not have the community as a whole in their consideration. Civility and repect is significantly lacking. It is truly appalling to all of us who are brought up with a certain decorum that teaches us to defer to those who clearly have certain earned rights, who are older, etc. We don't bull our way into a new situation and tell the members of the community, organization, etc. how things are going to be from here on in. But they do!! And they do it with impunity! This it intimidates the most people who do not have the time, money and expertise to combat them. But..........we simply have to speak up and act, or it will be too late, as it already is in some places.
August 25, 2012 20:51:00 Reasonable   Observer - I respect and appreciate your opinion and take on the situation. I also agree with you regarding our current leadership. I feel the Town Board has done an awesome job! Although I do not agree with all of his positions on everything, Mr. DuMond during his tenure as supervisor did more for the Town in six years that was ever done in the previous 30! He publically supports Mr. Spaccaforno so as far as I am concerned that is good enough for me. Mr. Roff has long been involved with the Town, many years as Chairman of the Fire Commissioners and also an officer on the Delaware County Sportsman\'s Federation. Like my grandma used to say...\"if it aint broke, dont try fixing it\". I see no reason to do any tinkering with the Town Board and plan to support the incumbants.
August 25, 2012 11:54:39 Observer   Reasonable - I do not know nor have ever met, to the best of my knowledge, any of the three persons you mention. I would reserve any opinion I have of their intentions until I heard from them; which I have not. Of course any resident of Masonville town has the right to run for any office open to election. My personal opinions of those who are now in office or may be thinking of running will be based strictly on whether I think they are capable of doing the job they are seeking. Where they originally come from make little difference to me. I was born and brought up in this general area (Delaware, Chenango, Broome Counties). And yes, I did spend some 12 years living downstate (Long Island) where I made some wonderful friends. As to the "locals" being the only ones who know what is best for the town I have reservations about that. I am 76 years old and I have seen and heard stories of "local leadership" in these small towns over the years and I can assure you that the leadership was not always keeping the citizens of the town they served first in mind. I agree that the Town of Masonville is being well served by the leadership we now have but I know for a fact this was not always so. Past leaders of this town were looking out for themselves first and the town second. As to paying attention to what is going on at town meetings I do not attend many of them due to other obligations on meeting nights and the fact I am very hard of hearing and miss much of what is going on as the board does not use amplification for themselves or for the public but I do receive the town minutes and agendas and I do read them closely. While I know the Town Supervisor is fully within his legal rights by appointing people out of hand to fill vacated positions on the Board I am not a fan of such actions. I do not like appointments to elected offices. But as long as it is legal and proper who am I to judge the motives of doing it. I find the practice smacks to much of the "old crony" scene of years ago. What the motives are behind the things these three people propose I do not know but one thing I am certain of is within a couple of years we are going to have a lot more serious things to consider when we begin to see the large land owners of the area pitted against the renters and small land owners in the gas drilling venture. As soon as the large land owners really realize just how much money is at stake they will like hogs at a feeding trough do their best to drive everyone else out of the trough. So, from that point of view some of the things these "down-staters" propose may make sense; I do not know.
August 24, 2012 21:05:23 Reasonable   Observer - You really need to pay attention to what has been happening at the Board meetings over the last several months. Do you enjoy life in Masonville the way we are accustomed to with little regulation and government oppression? These folks really want to fundementally change our Town and make it more like a down-state community. Please do not get me wrong, I am sure they mean their best and have sincere intentions. In some ways I feel sorry for them because they will never be able to fully comprehend the Town's history or know the background of the generations of family roots established in our community. It isnt that they want bad things...they simply do not see burdensome regulations, redundant laws and government control of peoples freedoms as those of us who have always lived here. This is all they know so it doesnt personally affect them the same way. An elder once told me, "people dont know what they dont know"...which i think is exactly the situation with some of our residents, as well-intentioned as they may be.
August 24, 2012 15:27:57 Observer   I thought the we'un versus them thar or hillbilly against city slicker died out long ago? Good grief 90% of the residents of Delaware county are from someplace "downstate".
August 24, 2012 14:43:25 What!   Reasonable the locals are running? How about these citizens of Masonville who want to serve our town are running. Remember when it comes to voting who cares where you were born but how you want your community to operate in the best interest of everyone.
August 23, 2012 21:54:31 Reasonable   The locals that are running are Mike Spaccaforno, our current supervisor, Craig DuMond, our current Councilman and Steve Roff, long-time local and community member who was just appointed to fill a vacancy on the Board. The following challengers, who are the anti-everything, pro-regulation and pro-zoning are Troy Ramage (running for supervisor), Maria Sroka (running against Craig for Council) and Kathleen Kloptchin (running against Steve Roff for council). These three individuals are running as sheep in wolf's clothing...they are running as independents, however, all have deep down-state radical views and want more laws, more regulations and actually create zoning!!! Maria Sroka and her group have made a mockery out of the Board meetings, disrespecting everyone and basically telling our locals how stupid they are because they dont agree with their views. Supervisor Spaccaforno finally had enough at the last meeting and shut their rhetoric down. This election is probably the most important election in our Town's history! Masonville is one of the very few Towns left in the County without zoning and restrictive land regulations. Many other Town Boards have been flipped by these type of individuals and the locals have seen their Towns radically changed forever. I, for one, will be assiting in any way I can to keep our current Town Board in place and I ask the silent majority to join me. We, the silent majority, can not sit back and take for granted out locals will automatically get elected again this year. GET OUT AND VOTE FOLKS! Your freedom and local property rights literally depend on it!!!
August 22, 2012 12:53:11 Who?   Does any one know who is running for town board this year.
August 20, 2012 22:53:45 bertimouse   Hi what? If everyone had your NIMBY syndrome then where would gas drilling ever happen, eh? We thinks only out West in the big sky country.
August 19, 2012 22:56:26 Craig DuMond   I was very saddened to return home from a week at the Fair and hear the news of Stew's passing. I received an email from him on the 12th and he passed on the 15th. Stew and Betty (DuMond) were community icons for many years. Stew have so freely of himself for the betterment of the Town, School, Church, etc. etc. etc. The world lost one truly great friend and patriot! They do do make them like Stwart anymore! God Bless you and be with Betty and the rest of the family during this most difficult time.
August 18, 2012 07:20:46 Lisa McDonald Stewart Wilcox and his wonderful wife, Betty, were great friends and the best of neighbors. They have been sorely missed since their move to Syracuse to be closer to family. They taught me much about the essence of the meaning of "neighbor" and "community." That these are not just words...they are an integral foundation of our way of life here in Masonville. RIP, Stewart.
August 17, 2012 19:49:34 Mormon Hollow Farm   Our sympathy to the Wilcox family and friends , the loss of Stewart was the loss of a life long friend.
August 17, 2012 09:13:49 Kathy K Just want to express sympathy to the Wilcox family for the passing of Stewart Wilcox. So sorry to hear.
August 17, 2012 08:25:43 Denis Burpoe   Marie your post was interesting but nothing new. All concerned residents in Masonville have been folling the issues of horizontal fracking. I personaly have no gain wether New York State DEC permits it or not. You also stated that fracking is the issue of our times, I would like to disagree. I feel that the issue of our times right now today is the input of herion that is being shipped into our area by other countries and getting our children addicted, How it is destroying familys and lives. This has turned many of our young adults into theives, liars and no use to our communities. Read the papers call you local Sheriff ask the question. Marie we have real problems in all our comunities today and fracking will be addressed but if we do not stand up to the scum that is infusing our communties we will be building bigger jails and burying our future.
August 16, 2012 23:26:04 what?   FYI berti, the facts about the film 'Gasland' is, well it is lacking in facts, much of it has been debunked, some of it is down right lies. Read, New York Times article Groundtruthing Academy Award Nominee 'Gasland' Published: February 24, 2011. I am a anti-fracker, pro-driller, just don't do it in my back yard.
August 16, 2012 20:53:34 bertimouse   To Marie Sroka- Well spoken. HEAR HERE! You sound like a lawyer but we agree that the TOM supers comments, amoung other comments by some here Do Not reflect the majority of those who live here. We All have the right to Vote whether weve lived here for generations or freaking whatever - 2 months? That should not matter for anyone who Loves Masonville. We have no problem with the TOM government, though we disagree sometimes with their decisions. As Denis Burpoe has suggested in some of his posts-let the November Elections reflect the true majority. As other posts have also suggested, just 10 folks showing up at the TOM board mtgs. every month DO NOT represent the entire town. A Town-wide VOTE is the only way to decide anything that is of major importance and impact to the TOM. Remember TOM Board? Nuff Said.
August 16, 2012 20:43:15 bertimouse   To What? - FYI Windmills and Solarpower are the only thing that powers both of my brothers homes in Washington state and Colorado state - both states have more severe winters than we have. We all need to get our heads out of the sands LOL to think outside the Iraq and big corporation gas companies Box which only want to make money off of us all. We have valuable untapped hydro power very much Local which No One seems to be tapping anymore. This is how the TOM was born btw. FREE, TOUGH and INDEPENDENT. You can put this comment into your gas pipeline and smoke it. The new Gas Pipeline is coming thru TOM in 2014 by Federal Domain which many folks are fighting in Sidney Center and Unadilla and Schoharie County but apparently its a losing battle because-Its Federal Domain and -only a Pipeline-Yah right. -Only a matter of time before they tap into that new pipeline with direct gas-fracked wells. The system is already installed in Deposit as you probably know. Any fracking operations can easily now tap into that line, so whatever. We basically agree with your comments as long as its safe but in NYS these Gas Companies have to realize that All Of Us in Our State CARE about what happens to our 1.Drinking Water. 2.Environment. 3.Our Resort-summer income areas as business folks. 4.Our Air. 5.The Future of our children.
August 16, 2012 20:21:04 bertimouse   To Gerald regarding your 8-8-12 post - HEAR HERE! :)
August 16, 2012 20:18:22 bertimouse   To Reasonable-your house seems to choose to divide the TOM against generations here vs. newbies and you quote downstate individuals wanting to trample on our rights-U R dreaming if U think your comments regarding the actual reality of PA and elsewhere are factual. U really need to download the free GASLAND CD. Anyone who has not seen this CD does not know the whole story. We think that Craig Dumond has seen this but wont speak for him.
August 16, 2012 20:13:28 bertimouse   To Robert Beards-regarding your 8-5-12 and 8-7-12 comments-HEAR HERE! Though on 8-7 you assumed that the TOM has all the expertise of all of the knowledge,resources and political connections of Albany. They do not.
August 15, 2012 10:01:59 Marie Sroka   #1. The state has taken a defacto moritorium to put horizontal drilling on hold as it decides what the state should do. The state looks upon moritoriums as a useful tool for municipalities to use while they decide for themselves what they should do (see the very first sentence in land_use_moritoria.pdf). Zoning is not required. Masonville's board has acknowledged that our Comprehensive Plan needs revision. As far as where drilling will occur, Masonville sits on the north-east corner of what is known as the "Prime Fairway" of the Marcellus. The shale layer is 100'-150' thick here. And under that is the Utica shale. Drilling here is only a matter of time. #2. Around 150 municipalities have already passed moritoriums or even, outright bans. Not a single moritorium has ever been challenged in court. Two bans were challenged in court, both challenges were struck down, and it appears that there will be no appeals as the window is nearly closed for that. Those two NY state judicial decisions (over 'bans') that specifically considered the matter have unequivocally held (i) New York municipalities wishing to do so have the legal authority to pass local laws of general applicability to prohibit gas drilling activities within their municipal borders, (ii) such local laws are NOT ‘regulations’ within the meaning of ECL 23-­‐0303(2), and (iii) accordingly such local laws are NOT preempted by or otherwise ‘illegal’ under ECL 23-­‐0303(2). There are no legal fees for non-existant challenges. And, by the way, what about the possibility of suits over not enacting a moritorium? Those cost the same amount. #3. I'm sure the Board, including yourself, loves Masonville and believes it is on the right path here. Nonetheless, the opinion represented by the Masonville 1st party is that there are many things that can and should be done without delay, so that Masonville will be in the best position possible to both take advantage of the opportunities and minimize the risks that horizontal extraction and it's allied activities WILL bring to our town. In fact, doing nothing jeapordizes the town's best interest. If you think horizontal extraction is years away, then surely a one-year moritorium to protect us while we update our comprehensive plan will not be keeping anybody from a gas royalty check. It will however, protect the town from expensive litigation over "takings" should we attempt to adjust our town law once a permit is issued here. Your comments over 50-60% of Masonville being in a restricted area only serve to confuse the issue. Horizontal extraction is the issue of our times, it is coming here, it will bring many issues with it and everyone (in the watershed or out) will be effected. We should study these issues and prepare ourselves asap. That is the job of the town board.
August 14, 2012 14:08:32 MIKE SPACCAFORNO   I would like to thank everyone who participated in this discussion on drilling. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail in any future discussions. This debate is also about personal freedoms and the right to make your own decisions on matters that concern you and your family, without government interference. My thoughts are there is no sensible reason in passing a Moratorium on drilling since: #1. The State is still deciding what to do and it looks like even if they approve drilling it will be in 5 counties west of here, not Delaware County. #2. If the Town passes a Moratorium, there is a good chance that the Town will have to defend the law in court either against a landowner that wants drilling on their property or against a gas company that wants to drill in the area, or both. Insurance companies have refused to cover cost of these litigation's thus far and the towns that are in court are either using budget reserves(of which we are at a minimum) or raising funds(taxes) from residents to pay legal fees. To myself and the Board, neither one is a good option. #3. The regulation that the state has made public prohibits drilling in the NY City watershed, plus a 4000 ft. buffer all around it. That eliminates about 50%-60% of Masonville. That means 50-60% of Masonville is inside the restricted area and drilling will be prohibited. The eastern half of the Town is completely off the grid for drilling. As I said in #1, the good money is betting that the State will only approve drilling in 5 counties. Delaware is not one of those five. Even if they do release the law as written, I am sure the State will have to defend it in court. There will be years of further delays for even those 5 counties. The risk of having to ask taxpayers to defend a suit against a Moratorium makes no sense to the Board and me. 50% - 60% of our town is a part of that NYC watershed that will have to share the costs of that defense. In conclusion, why rush into something and try to make decisions on items that we have no positive knowledge about? This is a logical, thought out conclusion and not a whimsical knee-jerk reaction to the feelings of a few. We all live in and love this Town. Our children and grandchildren will hopefully live and work and raise their children here. We (the Board) will always protect and defend it, and never do anything to jeopardize its well-being. Mike Spaccaforno, Supervisor
August 09, 2012 08:02:43 what?   Liar, it's still there.
August 09, 2012 07:20:07 Chicken little   THE SKY IS FALLING !!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!!
August 09, 2012 00:20:50 what?   Concrete cracks, this is a fact, metal cracks, this is a fact, natural gas well heads are not going to be 100% safe, this is a fact. Windmills and solar panels are not going to fulfill our needs, also a fact, I guess windmills are not 100% safe either. Continuing to get our energy needs from countries that hate us is also not safe, also a fact. We have been, and continue to jeopardize our future, and the future of our children by relying on foreign countries, and countries that hate us to survive. Our National Govt. isn't working, Obama definitely isn't working, also facts. $15 trillion, that is how much the United States has borrowed, and how much we have to pay interest on. To put $15 trillion, almost $16, in perspective, our national debt is larger than the total economies of China, the United Kingdom, and Australia combined.And under current policies, our national debt will continue to grow by hundreds of billions every year.According to the Congressional Budget Office, the national debt held by the public will grow by more than $6 trillion over the next decade. We need to look at all options, I don't like it either, I'm still a pro-driller, antifracker, but we need to look towards a future.
August 08, 2012 22:25:21 Reasonable   Firstly we dont even know IF it is going to happen! It will definately NOT happen in the NYC watershed, which already takes out 1/3 of the Town. As the Board has stated at the meetings, there is no need to be hypervigilant here as local laws can quickly be established to protect roads, etc. and anything else that may not be covered by th NYS laws...which are VERY RESTRICTIVE and comprehensive. As it is said, the rad to hell is paved with good intentions. Many municipalities opened pandora's box with some "good intentioned" zoning laws...the next thing you know you wake up hving the governmment telling you how high to keep your grass and what color your house should be. The members of our Town Board have a vested and historical interest in out Town...all, except for Mike who is a life-long resident, have families who have been here for generations. Three are active farmers and our suervisor s a very sucessful businessman. In my humble opinion, none of these individuals would ever do anything to hurt this Town as all have a vested interest in the Town's future. To insinuate they are ignorant or foolish or have their heads in the sand concerning this issue is disrespectful to them to say the least. I know all of them and know they are genuine, stand up local people who do not deserve the disrepsectful and arrogant mudslinging being portrayed by Masonville 1st. Dont worry Town Board, we the silent majority will speak loud and clear come November. Masonville 1st sealed their fate with their little stunts such as attempting to make a mockery out of Board meetings as well as soliciting the press in their endeavors.
August 08, 2012 19:07:11 Robert Beards   It's important to understand that we are not at all arguing whether horizontal wells are safe. Some probably are and some maybe less so. All Masonville 1st is asking is: "Shouldn't Masonville take a hand in determining its own future?" We should not be wasting any time "doing nothing", but instead we should prepare to maximize the good potential and minimize the risks to the town's quality of life. There are serious time constraints if we want to reserve our town's rights. The opportunity is now.
August 08, 2012 17:36:35 Reasonable   Actually, the outcome in PA has been grossly exagerated. A few times now I have heard at Board meetings and heard some of them have drove down to Dimmock, PA, the heart of the controversy. It was reported reported that everyone spoke to had nothing but positive things to say. The jobs and affect on the local economy were a huge boost. The claims of water contamination were made up (by some of the radical anti-drillers, again, spindoctering) and the water actually tested fine. The cases where people could light their water on fire? The methane was present before drilling and folks could have done the same thing for the last 100 years. NY doesnt allow evaporation pits...every once of frack water is pumped to and rom the drill point within a steel and concrete encase drill shaft. The used water, again every once, is pumped into secure stainless steel containers and trucked to a local water treatment facility where it is treated and returned to the river...actually completely safe to drink! Wow, if they can treat raw sewage and return it safely to the river I am confident fracking water can be treated the same way. Especially if our radical, business killing, environmental friendly NYS DEC says it is safe! My Goodness!!! The truth (not spin) will set us free!
August 08, 2012 17:26:49 Gerald   If the drilling cannot be done safely then it shouldnt be done.If they can do it safely and no ones water is effected then let it happen. We all have heard the outcome in Pennsylvania and we dont need that to happen here.....
August 08, 2012 11:09:26 Denis Burpoe   Grumpy you gotta get spell check on here.
August 07, 2012 16:21:54 Robert Beards   Actually, neither Marie nor I went to the press. We did not have someone do it on our behalf either. We were quite surprised to be called by a reporter who had questions. And I was misquoted. Personally, I think Mike is a very personable, good guy and an asset to Masonville. We just are in disagreement right now.
August 07, 2012 15:16:15 Denis Burpoe   Robert it sounds like Masonville did do what was best for Masonville,Apparently you and Masonville 1st did not like the determination that was made in the best interest of Masonville. So what did you do you threw our Supervisor under the bus went to the press and the outcome has not and will not change until DEC makes there final decision.Please remember in a democracry the decision by our elected officials can not and will not satisfy all. By not voting in a moratorium a small portion of our residents are unhappy so what did they do they ran to the media to try to get our board to vote their way.I do not think that it will work. Please let our DEC do their work and wait for the results.
August 07, 2012 14:04:49 Reasonable   "conservative and prudent"...typical verbage spinmastering from the left. Dont fall for it folks!
August 07, 2012 12:07:58 Robert Beards   Denis, As many times as I've heard the Board complain about Albany making decisions that Masonville winds up suffering under, it's amazing that all of a sudden we would assume Albany will now make decisions for Masonville that are as good or better as ones we would make for ourselves. This setback issue is only one example of a concern Masonville should have. NY Statute hands Masonville the legal framework to determine for itself what is best. Masonville should exercise that right. It is only conservative and prudent for a town to look after itself.
August 07, 2012 11:37:00 Denis Burpoe   listen I have been reading all of the input on this page. Now there is a State wide moratorium on high volume fracking in New York State until the DEC evaluates the risks and determines whether it can devolope a plan that is fully protective of public health and the enviroment. There remain too many questions that must be answered and too many healh and eviromental issues that must be resolved for the state to consider moving foward now with any plans to frack- weather in limited portions of the MarcellusShale region or otherwise. I have done a lot of work with the DEC and they take their work serious. They have no political agenda just the responsabilty to the people and the enviroment. We are in good hands and I will trust the judgement of our DEC. Also the town of Masonville board has done their due dilagence and made the right decision we now need to wait for New York State to determine wether fracking will be allowed and what restictions will be implemented. Again Mike Spacaforno that you for doing the work of all the people of Masonville and when the time comes I am sure you will also make th right decision.
August 07, 2012 10:24:46 Robert Beards   As an example, if your home is 560\' from a boundary line as specified in part (a), a well head could be placed 100\' away from the other side of your home. That would satisfy both the 660\' and 100\' minimum requirements as they now stand. There is no draft proposal at the DEC to change this situation.
August 07, 2012 10:12:00 Robert Beards   That 660' requirement is the proscribed minimum distance from certain boundaries, not from residences. Spacing Unit Boundaries are determined by the gas companies, and they are not based on property boundaries, lease boundaries, roads or fence lines. Unit boundaries can be changed, even after wells are started. The gas companies determine the units to a great degree by the geology of the shale and the limits imposed by neighboring units. A unit boundary can go along a property line, can go right through the middle of a property, or through a small part of a property - whether these properties are leased or not. If you are included in a unit via compulsory integration there are many scenarios under which you may end up with a well head only 100' from your residence and no negotiating power to change that.
August 07, 2012 08:25:35 what?   Please explain, how can a wellhead be 100' from a home when it has to be 660' from a boundary line? To me that means at a minimum the wellhead would be 660' from a home if the home is set exactly on the property line, which most are not. Keep in mind , no matter what the setback, we all share the same veins of water that could possibly be affected, accidents can and do happen. And also, when the drilling begins and our property values go down because of it does that mean our taxes will go down accordingly because of our devalued property? Might be a good thing for us locals who plan on living here the rest of our lives, as long as the water filters work.
August 06, 2012 23:38:48 Robert Beards   With all due respect Betty, "...cannot be located less than 660 feet from any boundary line of the lease, integrated leases or unit", indicates that a homeowner could in fact find themselves powerless to act, with a wellhead at that minimum distance (100') from their home if it happens to lie somewhere around 660' from a unit boundary line and is subject to compulsory inclusion. They can't negotiate a more comfortable setback without a lease.
August 06, 2012 20:29:22 Betty Scott   In the interest of clarification regarding well spacing I have copied verbatim the entire section of the DEC regulations regarding well spacing as Mr. Beards has omited the first section of the regulation that clearly states a well can not be less than 660 feet from a lease boundry. Therefore even though the 2nd section does state the 100 and 150' rules they apply within the leased area. The landowner would certainly be within his rights to negotiate the setback distances on his land from any buildings, dwellings etc on his land especially if he had concerns about well placement in proximity to any buildings on the land. §553.1 Statewide spacing (a) Except as provided in subdivisions (b) and (c) of this section and absent a department order establishing spacing units, a well drilled, deepened, plugged back, or converted for the production of oil and gas cannot be located less than 660 feet from any boundary line of the lease, integrated leases or unit and cannot be closer than 1,320 feet from any other oil and gas well in the same pool. (b) Absent a department order establishing spacing units, a well which is on a lease, integrated leases, or unit having as one of its boundary lines the New York/Pennsylvania border may not be drilled, deepened, plugged back, or converted for the production of oil and gas within 330 feet of that border. (c) Oil wells located in oil fields or pools that were discovered, developed, and operated before January 1, 1981, are not subject to the provisions of this section. §553.2 Surface restrictions No well shall be located nearer than 100 feet from any inhabited private dwelling house without written consent of the owner; nearer than 150 feet from any public building or area which may be used as a place of resort, assembly, education, entertainment, lodging, trade, manufacture, repair, storage, traffic or occupancy by the public; nearer than 75 feet to the traveled part of any State, county, township, or municipal road or any public street, road or highway; or nearer than 50 feet from any public stream, river or other body of water. This regulation, which is adopted in the interest of public safety, does not apply to a building or structure which is incident to agricultural use of the land on which it is located, unless such building is used as a private dwelling house or in the business of retail trade. §553.3 Spacing units (a) To promote effective development, use, or conservation of the natural resources of oil and gas, an order establishing well spacing may be promulgated by the department. (b) Prior to promulgation of any spacing order, a public hearing on the matter will be conducted by the department acting either on its own motion or upon receipt of an application therefor from any interested owner or operator. (c) Any application for a spacing order shall be made in writing and should include any information the applying owner or operator deems relevant to the following factors which the department will consider in deciding upon a spacing order: (1) the lease and unit boundaries of the lands underlaid by the pool; (2) the plan of well spacing currently being employed and that proposed for the pool; (3) the depth at which production from said pool has been found; (4) the nature and character of the stratum containing the pool and the fluids contained therein; (5) an estimate of the maximum area which may be drained efficiently and economically by one well; (6) any other available information pertaining to said pool which may be of probative value to the department in determining the proper spacing therefor, with due and relative allowance for protection of correlative rights and prevention of waste. (d) The application shall be accompanied by a neat, legible plat drawn to scale which shows the area for which the spacing order is proposed. When known and relevant, the plat should include well locations and lease and unit boundaries. (e) After promulgation, any spacing order for a pool will supersede for that pool the state-wide spacing provisions of section 553.1 of this Part. §553.4 Exceptions Where in its opinion there exists good and sufficient reason to permit an exception to the well spacing provisions of sections 553.1, 553.2 and 553.3, the department may permit reasonable well location exceptions which will protect correlative rights and prevent waste. Any application for such an exception shall be made in writing in triplicate as a separate attachment to the application for permit as outlined in section 552.1 and shall set forth in ample detail the reason or reasons for such exception request. Upon receipt of this exception request, the department shall promptly schedule a public hearing to facilitate a decision on the application. When a location exception is granted, the department may adjust the production from such well or take such other action as it may deem necessary for the protection of correlative rights or to prevent waste.
August 06, 2012 12:39:54 Robert Beards   Source: DEC Part 553: Well Spacing (Statutory authority: Environmental Conservation Law, §§ 23-0301, 23-0305[8], 23-0501). There are no current DEC draft proposals that change this. These are the facts, I do not deal in hearsay.
August 06, 2012 12:04:48 Who?   Facts Mr. Beard where are you getting this information from. DEC, DEP ? come on you have to do bettor and yes you may not call it Zoning but you want more government control over the people and thier properties.
August 06, 2012 08:47:05 Robert Beards For the record, Marie did not at all argue for zoning at the meeting. We don't want it. It's not necessary. She was talking about the DEC's current wellhead setback provisions of 100' from a home - the worst in the country. Unless a change is made that's what Masonville will get. The Star's article also contains a number of other errors. Our message is quite consistent and conservative: "Horizontal wells will bring many changes - good and bad - it is prudent to prepare for them in advance." And we ask, why not?
August 05, 2012 23:51:59 what?   Still a pro-driller, anti-fracker but I would like to add to Reasonable's post, Quote; "Those of use that have been here for generations understand this vision and see what has happened to our rural communities as well as agriculture, timber and bluestone industries as other Towns and the state have embraced zoning."..,,.. How many log trucks do you see lately?, How many stone quarry trucks do you see lately? Can you name two of each? I can!!,, Two maybe!!,, This area used to have many people in the independent industry. They didn't get lazy, they didn't die, they got drove out by burdensome Federal and State regulations. NY doesn't need more people on welfare or selling Chinese stuff at the local stores, think about it.
August 05, 2012 22:21:49 Reasonable   Wow! The Masonville 1st group is anti-everything, want zoning and now complains about Grumpy's site, which he provides for free! I have attended many meetings where robert beardsley and maria soroka and their "sky is falling crew" of supporters (which by the way, I have not recognized any of them as being long-term Town residents) clearly state they favor zoning! The one thing I always respected about Craig DuMond was he ALWAYS said NO ZONING!!! It is nice to see Mike Spaccaforno following his lead and continuing on with Craig's vision. Those of use that have been here for generations understand this vision and see what has happened to our rural communities as well as agriculture, timber and bluestone industries as other Towns and the state have embraced zoning. It's a business killer and so is the anti-fracking crowd. NYS has such strigent regulations, set-backs, bonding, etc. we probably will never see it (again, more zoning regulations, etc) in Masonville and that is a shame. This is probably the most important election in the history of our Town in November and I hope and pray the silent majority do not sit and go out to VOTE. Mike, Craig and Steve Roff are all up for election. Steve will also bring a very conservative and old-time prospective to the Board. Don not allow these down-state individuals to trample on our rights (property rights/no zoning) we have fought so hard to preserve for so many years!
August 05, 2012 13:15:50 Robert Beards   The threat of Zoning comes directly from the Town Supervisor's office, and only serves to poison any debate. Do not be alarmed. Masonville 1st does not ask for, or stand for, zoning. In spite of some official comments to the contrary, ZONING IS NOT LEGALLY REQUIRED by NY State for the Town of Masonville to properly prepare itself for Natural Gas Exploration and Extraction. The official "do nothing" or "wait and see" policy is not a reasonable policy preparing for the great changes ahead - good or bad. All Marie and I ever suggested is that Masonville be proactive in the face of the great changes Natural Gas Exploration and Extraction may bring to our economic welfare, as well as the simultaneous risks to our health, safety and welfare, and to the rural nature of our town. We have yet to hear a logical and factual rebuttal of our argument on its merits. (And Grumpy's site, as nice as it may be, is not the optimum forum anyway.)
August 04, 2012 16:52:58 Who?   Masonville 1st has now become Masonville last. You have now lost all the respect and credability that you had. Time to move on.The people of Masonville can not let them destroy what we value and that is our freedom to choose not have decisions made for us by big brother.
August 04, 2012 14:31:11 Observer   I would like to publically thank the EMT crews from Masonville and CMT along with the heliocopter crew that took me to Wilson Hospital. While I do not remember much of what went on I have been assured that you saved my life. I now have an implanted defibrillator to go along with my artificial heart valve. Once again I do thank you and may God bless you.
August 04, 2012 00:50:37 what?   I might be a anti-fracker, but please, Mike Spacaforno, NO zoning regulations! The US, NY, has more than enough job killing, anti business regulations already.
August 04, 2012 00:43:53 what?   I am a admitted pro-driller hypocrite, NOT in my back yard, I am a anti-fracker! But we have to look at facts, and that is what I got out of the Daily Star article,our Supervisor "Spacaforno said he wants to bring in two experts -- representing both sides of the debate over gas drilling -- to have them brief the board and interested residents on what the options are for the town to prepare for potential gas development in the region." What? is wrong with that? It is a shame that there is so much negative that comes with fracking.In PA and W. Virginia, Marcellus shale has brought a boom in production, jobs, and profits – and a drop in natural gas prices for consumers.$3.5 billion in gross revenues for drillers in 2011, along with about $1.2 billion in West Virginia...We have more natural resources in OUR country than the Middle East. Get Liberals like Obama out of office and we could become energy independent. BUT as long as I hear chemicals are going to be fracked into our ground, I am against fracking. And as of yet I have heard no move towards using propane for fracking in NY.
August 03, 2012 22:55:01 wow   Write was spelled right as far as in concerned because you allways have a speach written as you can see or we all see. Board member Scott spoke from what she knew and stated so. VERY Nice and well said Miss Scott
August 03, 2012 22:35:58 wow   The Town Board meeting is not the place for who write and wrong, when some of the public speak as does not let the Town run there own meeting and feel that it is there's then that is just wrong then proceed to run to the newspaper. Wow that article in paper so 1 sided should have stayed the best meeting ever the public and board came to an agreement wow it didn't even take yelling look at your self next time. Camera should be pointed at you
August 03, 2012 12:10:03 one resident   Some feel the majority spoke at the last board meeting, but it takes more than 10 to make the majority in our town. If any one looks foolish at this point it is those who call the town board members uncaring! Zoning is not the way to go in our town. If zoning is what they want maybe moving would be the best choice for them.
August 03, 2012 10:57:24 Denis Burpoe   Mike Spacaforno I was dissapointed to see that this group of people who claim to be Masonville first has taken thier un educated issues to the media. Please remember that they are less than 1% of the people of Masonville that support and appreciate the work that you do for our town. Mike I have not been to any meeting due to the fact that I play golf on a league on Wed.with my son. I just wanted to say that I support your decision on not implementing a moratorium in the town of Masonville. I also have become a fan of resolution 59.12 that states that no moratorium on hydraulic fracturing will be put in place before the state of New York has made its decision. Mike I just wanted to say thank you for representing all the people of Masonville and just not the few who cry stamp their feet and scream when they do not get their way.I will be voting for you in November I hope that this does not deter you from leading our town.
August 03, 2012 09:18:54 Who?   I read the daily star today saw that Masonville made page 3. Fracking is a long way off Ijust wish they would use this much energy to fix our roads they are awful.
July 31, 2012 08:57:42 resident   thanks for the support! Too many are complaining about this wonderful town and forget about those who have lived here for 60 plus years, and we are the ones who can tell stories about what bad roads were really like, dust, pot holes and lots of snow and ice and very little sand! Improvement comes with time.
July 30, 2012 20:11:41 bertimouse   resident: Your recent quote - Masonville is one of the places you need to love or leave - is fully supported here. Sure some of the roads buck with a big S but weve found this to be the exception and we notice that most of the folks complaining about the HWY dept. too fast. If folks drove slower you wouldnt notice the bumps so much. 2. Some arent even around in the winter much, when and where the TOM Hwy dept needs to spend most of their budgeted money. 3.Asphalt repair and re-grading IS EXPENSIVE! 4. As far as we know, the TOM Hwy. dept. DOES NOT OWN any Hwy asphalting equipment to do any large-scale repaving and so they have to BID IT OUT, LOL! 5.If any tax-paying residents along any stretch of TOM public asphalt roads would want to band together and submit a petition with their signatures to the TOM Board, say requesting the Board to Consider and Approve Funds for that Particular Road? The other option would be to request the TOM Board to Consider and Approve a community vote on the issue. 6. As resident has stated before in posts and we say it now bluntly: If you Love Masonville then dont just talk the talk. The TOM needs Dedicated Folk who will also Walk the Walk. And Yes that means getting to the TOM Board Mtgs if an issue means that much to you. Nuff Said.
July 30, 2012 19:39:29 bertimouse   Weve nothing against Rabbis. The Hebrew sect of those Hasidic folks are whom we were talking about is all. Peace.
July 30, 2012 15:09:05 resident   The money available for the roads is not a tremendous amount and therefore does not go a long way. Travel all of the town roads and see that a lot has been done and realize it costs a lot to keep these in good condition and work others at the same time. Also, if you have lived here over 50 years you would see that our roads are in great condition compared to then. Masonville is one of the places you need to love or leave.
July 30, 2012 13:45:44 what?   Two different town roads by me have been greatly improved in the past couple years, thanks TOM!
July 30, 2012 13:29:31 whatever   resident all you have to do is look at what has accurred in the last 3 to 4 years on our roads(nothing) why go and get nothing at the meeting it needs to be resolved at the election booth.
July 30, 2012 12:14:31 resident   So many questions about the highway dept., next board meeting wed Aug.1 7:30 please attend and get your answers from some one who knows!
July 30, 2012 08:08:51 What!   Resident it is not how the town is run it is about how the highway Dept is run. And where are the checks and balances, who on the board is overseeing the process. That is my take from all the post.
July 27, 2012 06:25:30 what?   I don\'t know what? Jewish denomination he is, but a Rabbi is in our plant just before Passover for Kosher for about four weeks. One of the nicest, friendliest people I have ever met.
July 26, 2012 20:33:30 bertimouse   Observer: All we are trying to do is UNDERSTAND this particular sect of Hebrews...weve never had nor disliked any one of any religion! You say you lived amoung the Hasidic Hebrews and say that they are SORTA PUSHY AT TIMES?!? WHAT?!? Guess you havent tried to drive home through Liberty NY on a Friday afternoon lately. It is a real eye opener for any non-hebrew tourist. We made the mistake of stopping off at a hardware store in Liberty on a Friday afternoon after work before making the long drive home to Masonville once about 5 years ago. Never again. The way we were treated by the hebrew hasidic folks in that store left us wondering that maybe Hitler(as a youth before he turned crazy)had been treated in the same way by these people back in Austria when he was a supposed starving artist. Its never taken much to make an unstable person go postal. God Forgive us for thinking those thoughts which again is why were turning to our bible and or anyone we can to help us better understand these people so that we can have better tolerance and love for these most difficult summer residents. They stick to themselves and do not reach out to the local communities to help them understand about their ways which we feel is also just not right but whatever. We are really trying to Live & Let Live as we work there this summer! :)
July 26, 2012 17:38:48 resident   Once again, if there are questions about our town and how it is run, please attend board meetings on the first Wednesday of each month at 7:300 pm.
July 26, 2012 12:51:10 Observer   Bertimouse - Careful there!! You are treading pretty close to anti-semetism. You realize in this day and age the only fair game to attack is we conservative Christians? One must never critize or speak disparagingly of any minority or express an opinion of same. Speaking one's opinion is not allowed. I lived for 10-12 years among the Hisidic and Orthodox. Yes, they can be sorta pushy at times. LOL
July 26, 2012 08:43:26 #4   Not only those ladys own the road they walk on ,but the World. this jewish ladys dont care anything
July 25, 2012 21:24:14 bertimouse   Observer & Another M resident: yes we were reading Mark when we wrote that. Reading Jesus there for that but am also into Peter 2 as well now. Weve read the full bible 3 times over in the past but now well you know. Thanks and meant no harm nor foul to you Resident. Peace Neighbor...getting back into my religion and closer to my God because we need it. Again Peace.
July 25, 2012 21:10:42 bertimouse   We first asked for forgiveness. The Hasidic Hebrews that stay every summer in Sullivan County try the patience of all the yearly residents and workers there. We chose this year instead of being mad to like we said: turn to our OWN religion & it has brought us better Peace, Love and in some ways yes; understanding at least. Everyday we just dont understand how these people SAY that they Love and Follow the ways of God yet just dont follow the 10 commandments...which WE THOUGHT that God commanded to ALL, not just the so called chosen ones which everyone tells us there they think they are and everyone else is dirt? ALL that weve been taught since children in bible class and at church (our church) says that this is NOT SO. So how can one group of people literally TAKE OVER A WHOLE TOWN DURING THE SUMMER: rudely driving and treating the local people and disregarding the NYS building codes, local town housing codes, polluting the local streams with garbage strewn all overflowing the garbage cans, their women(who are not allowed to drive)walking on the wrong side of a very narrow 40-mile hour road: 3-women wide into the middle of the road while pushing baby carriages and refusing to move over even when cars are driving both ways as well? What Rabbi directed them to do this? Does he really want his precious daughters and children of Israel injured or killed that easily? We have been told that they treat their woman like MAIDS, RUGS and RABBITS: good for cooking, cleaning, wiping your feet on and making babies is all. WHATEVER! ITS ALL HERESAY, YES? All we know is that their Rabbi should teach a few NYS Safety Lessons about not only DRIVING but also walking on the local roads there. NUFF SAID. God give us all Patience. All of us!
July 25, 2012 11:06:01 resident   there is a highway law and a town policy on road improvement and take over . any questions regarding this should be directed to the highway supt. he should have all the CORRECT INFO on road take over and maint.
July 24, 2012 21:11:25 TX-1   They claim that they pay taxes like everyone else,and the road is a mess,you know i think they are right,but i dont know.they should have think about it b4 getting the it is too late.
July 24, 2012 20:59:58 crzyflea   the road was unpaved when you bought the land - heck, they aren\'t paving the end of a road for a fellow who has respiratory problems and has been a long time resident, why should shears get paved on taxpayer funds for someone who is new. As another person posted - if you want it paved pave it yourself. They won\'t stop you from doing the improvement most likely.
July 24, 2012 17:50:15 what?   WOW! Didn't Bertimouse and some others *CENSORED* on us awhile ago for posting about religion? I guess I shouldn't complain, maybe he,she has seen the light. Besides that I didn't think I posted anything negative, just a suggestion to slow down.
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July 24, 2012 12:46:19 Observer   Bertimouse - The second of the ten commandments is "Thou shalt not make any graven image." A man asked Christ what the greatest commandment was and Christ answered; ""Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets" ( Matthew 22:36-40 ). The Ten commandments were the basis for the law and Christ's reply was for the Church.
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July 24, 2012 07:56:14 Another masonville resident   Dear bertimouse - I said nothing against anyone. My only comment was that if they want the road paved, they should pay for it. The taxpayers should not foot the bill because some people don't do thier homework before they purchase land. Enough said!
July 23, 2012 22:12:34 bertimouse   The reason why I sought out My Lord Jesus Christ Recently is because I work among SO MANY Hasidic Jews every day these dsys near Liberty NY. I prayed that we would have Grace and Patience, as well as other things such as Love For Thy Neighbor; which is the Lords SECOND COMMANDMENT! LOL That's such a big one! Seems like everyone is forgetting this one, eh? OK Nuff said.
July 23, 2012 21:53:11 bertimouse   Dear What, masonville resident and TX-1: Forgive us because we have BEEN MAD lately and so have seeked our Bible. TG there because the 2nd commandment says: Love Thy Neighbor As You Love Yourself. LOL! It was a Good Reminder For Us! :) Peace & Love To You All My Neighbors. I Love the TOM & All of my Neighbors.
July 23, 2012 12:43:08 TX-1   This ragheads wants paved roads,let them pay for it,if you can pay for an expensive car,pay for a better road.
July 23, 2012 09:12:21 thinking ahead   ??????????? If you have high priced cars maybe you should not be living in Masonville, also, was that road paved when you bought the property? If not, why did you buy there?
July 22, 2012 14:29:54 X   So after all that no body has seen them.
July 21, 2012 20:52:58 what?   There is some neat Masonville NY stuff on ebay. Some of the post card pics I've seen, a couple I haven't. There is a matchbook labeled Pinnell's Farm, Vacation Paradise, Bundy Hollow RD. Star Route Sidney Masonville NY. Does anyone know about this place? Some of the postcards are from Pinnell's Farm, but the pics are from different areas,Sidney library 1960s, the fairgrounds in Walton, Sidney Dam, one is labelled; "Purebred Holsteins Cows Pinnells Farm Masonville NY Delaware Co Postcard". Does anyone know where this pic was taken? It looks like maybe '50s or '60s from the car in the pic, and I'm thinking the barn by the sharp turn in the road on Butts RD??
July 21, 2012 14:47:16 TX-1   Pave Shears rd? have more rag heads going up there. NO sir,let it be like it is now.
July 21, 2012 00:09:00 what?   Dirt never hurt no one, or no car. The notorious high amount of salt used in NY is the guilty culprit. Move out of NY if you want a 'unblemished' car. A little tip, slow down the pace, you don't kick up dirt if you slow down. Ya know this ain't Neww Yoork City. I must be really rich, dirt doesn't affect my cars.
July 20, 2012 15:37:50 Another Masonville Resident   Pave it yourself like we did on Houck Rd. Why should the taxpayers foot the bill so your car does get dirty!
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