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November 07, 2012 16:36:37 observer   Yeh,they are a scary bunch alright. About as scary as late night pizza
November 07, 2012 16:02:47 upset   John: You obviously missunderstood me. I dont think the masonville party was saying anything bad about anyone personally on this chat. Its the other guys who dont sign their names and say awful things that are scarry. Now you go and do the same thing. I would sign my name, but I am afraid of these crazy people. How could your friend no way know how people make money around here? People he doesnt know? If that's even what they do whats the harm? My wife used to buy avon bottles at garage sales and clean them up an sell them on the computer. Nothing bad about that. I know people that do it with clothes and a friend who does that with old tools. They do good. By you sayin what you just said, youre guilty of the same stuff you said should stop. Do what you say.
November 07, 2012 13:17:59 John Galt   Upset, you make a great point. One of my college friends from Cobleskill was looking at that big spread on Clark Road. He was a bit concerned about Masonville 1st and their greater interest in auctioning things on EBay that they snipe from local rummage sales than in being friendly members of the community. I hope he moves here. I have known him since FFA.
November 07, 2012 12:21:20 Observer   According to the earthquake map Guatemala just suffered a major earthquake of 7.4.
November 07, 2012 10:42:18 upset   Thanks John. I checked the reults from delhi. Its on their website. Took me forever to find it. Hey, just another voter, I dont know why everyone is picking on the Masonville party people and people who moved here from out of town. I know lots of families here from new jersey and from further down in New york. That doesn\'t make them enemies or bad people. Most people up here are from somewhere else. everyone is entitled to their voice and it should be respected not with personal attacks.. I dont see the incumbants thanking everyone. Dennis is the only one who said anything. He\'s got good points. I am paying more attention from now on where my tax money is being spent. Hope all this bad talk stops. I would be embarrassed if someone who is looking to move here sees this.
November 07, 2012 10:32:32 Observer   Well, the people have spoken. I may not be happy with the results of the presidential election but one thing I am certain of. God is still on the throne. Congratulations to all who won their seats in the local election. Looking forward to a productive year here in Masonville.
November 07, 2012 10:18:07 John Galt   Upset has a good point. The election is over and our property rights (at least on a local level) have been upheld. Let's let bygones be bygones and get back to the friendly culture that makes our town wonderful. Peace be with you all.
November 07, 2012 07:51:20 upset   wow you guys stuff your saying here is really nasty . Seems like its all from the same little group . I hope I don't know any of you because I would hate to think you are someone I know an like. The election is over now and I think you should stop saying this bad stuff. I looked at this so I could see the news and now Im upset.
November 07, 2012 07:38:35 just another voter   Now we need to hear from Masonville 1st and have them say thank you for the votes and good luck to the winners! Do you really think this will happen?
November 07, 2012 04:36:48 Denis   I would like to thank everyone for voting for me on election day. Liken Isaid this has been a very interesting journey. I knew that as write in it was along shot next year I will request debate. Please pay attention as the year goes on to see if the issues that I have mentioned are still a thorn next November or the year after that. I t was nice to see yesterday that the highway dept had some truck bodies and other parts to flip a couple of trucks this year people please I am not making this up pay attention ask question this is your money and you will be giving out more pay raises please again pay attention It is all fun and games until someone gets hurt. Good luck to the board in the coming year. Everyone happy holidays good luck and God Bless.
November 07, 2012 00:57:54 Lenin   Congrats to everyone who got out and voted. Democracy is the real winner.
November 06, 2012 22:56:56 what?   Results are in for TOM, Delaware County Board Of Elections, election night reporting, the majority has spoken.
November 06, 2012 21:28:20 Conspiracy Theory   Youre right Observer. I recant. I was just down at Z Z's having some fun here on election night. Sorry.
November 06, 2012 21:26:46 TOM Webmaster   Mr. Grumpy - May I suggest you have your webmaster add a disclaimer to this site to protect yourself? Cheers
November 06, 2012 21:14:54 Observer   Whom ever "Conspiracy Theory" is such statements are not only unnecessary but libelous. You do not have to agree with Mr. Beards nor even like him. But, to make a statement such as you did should not appear on this or any other forum. If you want to libel him at least be man enough to use your real name.
November 06, 2012 20:59:46 Observer   I see election day has brought out the inmates.
November 06, 2012 20:41:18 what?   I'm 100% against drilling near my property, and also 100% against taking away people's property rights. I don't vote for one issue, my votes go for those who represent the majority of my concerns, while Masonville first strikes a good argument, my votes went for "The Team".
November 06, 2012 20:37:37 Well Hung Peter   Have a good Erection Day everyone!
November 06, 2012 20:31:23 Conspiracy Theory   Maybe I am nuts, but I think Masonville 1st just wants us to be sheep so they can take our property rights and get themselves their own sweet payoff from the oil and gas companies. No thanks, greedy liars, I'll make my own decisions. I heard Beards torched his own apartment in NYC and then tried to sue his landlord. Loser.
November 06, 2012 20:21:40 what?   Observer, "deliberate act", why are these 'news' stations reporting one instance when complaints have come in Nevada, North Carolina, Texas and Ohio when they tried to select Mitt Romney, the machine indicated they had chosen President Obama. The voters in question realized the error and were able to cast ballots for their actual choice. How many didn't realize it? Why aren't these 'news' reporting on voter intimidation? The New Black Panthers are, once again, outside of a polling place — the same location they stood at, batons in hand, back in 2008, the same ones who the Obama administration Department of Justice refused to prosecute after they were filmed on Election Day 2008 wearing paramilitary uniforms, carrying a nightstick and blocking a doorway to a polling location to intimidate voters. The same ones who said “I hate white people – all of them! Every last iota of a cracker, I hate ‘em,”“I’m about the total destruction of white people. I’m about the total liberation of black people. I hate white people. I hate my enemy. …”“You want freedom? You’re gonna have to kill some crackers! You’re gonna have to kill some of their babies!” Why aren't these 'news' reporting on the Obama mural at Philly polling station? It violated state election law that prohibits soliciting votes at any polling place. A judged ruled to cover it up,"in its entirety" they did,slapped up a few pieces of paper that only partially covered his image -- while leaving the Obama campaign logo and a quote from the current president in full view for voters.
November 06, 2012 20:15:12 Sick of City Slickers   And that Sorka lady is just an annoying witch. She almost ran over my pig last week because she was speeding and texting on her phone.
November 06, 2012 20:07:21 checkmate   You better add the New Jersey transplants to the list.
November 06, 2012 19:47:43 Concerned citizen of the U.S.A.   I agree @wow and @NRA, having been a proud constituent in these parts for more than 4 generations I am unnerved by NYC transplants bringing their socialism here. Red, White and Pinkos please !
November 06, 2012 19:31:20 Lenin   Hey Masonville 1st.....I hope you are the ones who get drilled. Up the A-hole. By the way, I did vote for Obama because he is a good communist like me.
November 06, 2012 19:29:08 Foxy Country Gal   Hey Beards....what else do you want us to do? Give up our rights to decide our children's education too? What do you give a *CENSORED*? You home school your kids. Good luck trying to get them into college. "Individuals First"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 06, 2012 19:22:47 John Galt   This Beards guy is a crackpot. Give up our property rights? I'd like to see him try. He'll leave my front door with a fat lip.
November 06, 2012 18:09:35 Observer   Just caught a bit of CNN (which I rarely watch)and they reported that there had been a voting glitch on two machines in PA. Seems if you cast a ballot for Obama it gave it to Romney. Wolf Blitzer insinuated that it was deliberate act. He should have been immediately pulled from the set and not allowed back on. Of course he is one of the few "news reporters" around who made his debut by hiding under a desk and dirtying his pants.
November 06, 2012 15:38:04 Observer   Lisa - You state that it is obvious the contributors to this board have already made up their minds as to whom they will vote. This may well be true. But, it does not mean the end of the issue but rather just the beginning regardless of who is elected to the council. You also state that it is obvious the present board supports "unregulated drilling". Why would you say that? At no time have I heard anyone on the present board say they supported "unregulated drilling". In fact those I have talked with stated just the opposite. I think the present board DOES support regulated drilling; but at the right time and in the right way. I do not think the town board or anyone else wants to see the things come to pass that you so well stated in your posting. I also believe that many in the town fear a moratorium from the point of view it will lead to uncontrolled zoning in other facets of their lives. While it may be true the town through its police powers can declare a moratorium on drilling it has not been tested in the courts. Are we opening a can of worms? Years of litigation in the courts? As I have stated before on this board (not that anyone read it). Why not deliver a referendum to the town board, whoever is elected today, to get moving on regulations on drilling that is satisfactory to as many as possible while at the same time preserving our way of life without interference from government? But thank you for your well stated and well thought out message.
November 06, 2012 13:50:47 Lisa   Message board censored F A N N I E, as in F Mae, the lending organization. Really?
November 06, 2012 13:48:59 Lisa   It's obvious from this message board that those contributing have already made up their mind with regard to voting. As a concerned Masonvile homeowner I would only ask that you ponder these issues with regard to property values as a result of unregulated gas drilling, which the Masonville Town Board obviously supports, exhibited by their lack of action. Result of a study done by Washington County, PA: "they found that proximity to a well has a fairly large effect on nearby property values. A property on a drilling pad gets a 10.7 percent boost, on average--presumably reflecting the benefit of those lease payments from gas companies. But the story didn't end there. Properties that depend on groundwater, take a large home-value hit--24%--if they're within 2000 meters of a new well...The downsides of groundwater risk may currently outweigh the upsides from having a well nearby: 'To the extent that the net effect of drilling on groundwater-dependent properties might even be negative, we are seeing an increase in foreclosures in areas experiencing rapid growth of hydraulic fracturing.'" Tompkins County, NY has produced a guide with regard to real estate transactions and drilling. Their information is reiterated in detail in a federal government guide. To summarize, fearful of contaminated water, among other results of fracking, mortgage companies and banks, including Freddie Mac and *CENSORED* Mae, are now reluctant to grant mortgages for properties that have or are near drilling. The new mortgage regulations are now making it almost impossible to sell/buy a property for a reasonable value that is or is near a gas drilling site, causing property values to plummet. This also affects home improvement loans. Also, potential buyers are now weighing the risks. They "worry that their dream of a serene retreat could turn into a nightmare of water wells contaminated by drilling chemicals, country roads choked by truck traffic and views blighted by noisy industrial activity." And this is evident in the numbers, which are fact. The NY Assn of Realtors has reported that while residential sales in the entire state have been up 6%, in the counties of Delaware, Sullivan...etc. (potential drilling counties), they are significantly down, directly related to the gas issue. Insurance companies, as well, are now reluctant to provide homeowner's insurance to those with a lease or in the proximity of gas drilling. And, for anyone that thinks drilling will bring a boon to the local economy, that's all it will be. Any uptick in local revenue or in housing which accommodated the traveling gas workers (yes, they bring their own) will create surplus housing, thus adding to the glut and depressing housing values after they leave. And that's after they leave, at minimum, our roads & bridges in shambles. Let's also not forget the huge issue of "compulsory integration." A regulation that will impact almost everyone in/near drilling. To review (for all you folks out there who think that a moratorium on ONLY the drilling permits, NOT any other of your property rights, is such an open door to rampant zoning) if 60% of a "unit" is leased, then the remaining 40% of land CAN BE TAKEN AND DRILLED, even if you haven't signed a lease and even if you don't want it. That's 100% legal, people! Yes, that 40% would receive a small amount of money from drilling underneath your land, but that land is also devalued, considered damaged goods by the banks and the insurance and lending companies. Well, as a property/home owner, I certainly prefer the prudent one year moratorium, which WE have control over, and which is ONLY a suspension of issuing gas drilling permits for one year, having nothing to do with anything else regulating our property except setbacks, drawing up contracts w/ the gas contractors for damages to roads, bridges...etc., as well as any other safety precautions to protect OUR Town and it's people, than having the gas companies having control over OUR land and Town. "The gas companies like to say they are bringing us a windfall, but if you look at where they've already been, it looks like a tornado has blown through. The banks and insurance companies know this and that's why they are now often considering gas-leased and nearby land/homes too risky to finance." Even the US Geological Survey has said NY's draft plan fails to protect drinking water supplies. Let's learn form others' irreversible mistakes, and take the time to stop and figure this out, together.
November 06, 2012 13:17:21 Observer   607) 746-2315 Board of elections
November 06, 2012 13:05:17 Chris What number can I call to confirm I am registered before I head over to Town Hall?
November 06, 2012 13:01:23 Masonviller   just a message isn't posting
November 06, 2012 11:04:58 Observer   Tom - Thank you for the information. You must think I live on this site? Actually I work most days on the computer and I have multiple displays and I keep this site on one display. I enjoy the banter and discussion and it is a good way of knowing what topics of the town are.
November 06, 2012 10:56:44 tommy klehr Observer, the gas leases to which i refer are much more recent than that.
November 06, 2012 10:32:17 Observer   While I have not researched it I think one will find that sometime back in the 50's and 60's most of the land in this area and surrounding area was leased for mineral rights. I remember back in the 50's my father leasing land to some company. I would imagine those leases have long been dormant and of no value anymore.
November 06, 2012 09:50:47 tommy klehr Dear Mr. DuMond, I am writing to clarify something which has come to my attention. During my information gathering and investigation of gas leases in the town of Masonville, I discovered that there were 30 leases. However, given the current moratorium in NYS, I am not entirely sure if the 30 leases to which I referred earlier are still active. While I can not, in fact, state exactly how many lease agreements currently exist, according to, as of January 2012 there did exist some. I apologize if my statements regarding the Masonville leases caused any confusion, however, I continue to stand firm in my position: gas leases have both currently and previously existed in Masonville. Regarding Truthland, the he/she “mistake” which you made is just one part of the misrepresentation-at-large. The fact is that the filmmaker’s (DePue) farm currently had one well and was hoping to drill nine more. They were not investigating to see if they should lease their land—they already had! Further, Truthland was paid for by the gas industry! Let me be clear—everything I have written has been the result of seeking the truth and should not be construed as coming from any of your opponents, Mr. DuMond. You’re completely correct in assuming that I have an agenda. I do—and it’s simply to bring to light the truth. As I have previously stated, I care deeply about the town of Masonville, its citizens, visitors and its pulchritude. I am especially concerned for my daughters and their futures. We are all stewards of this earth. Finally, there are better ways to get money into the town without selling out to the gas industry. The town board, in whatever form it takes, should look to the residents. "Never tell people how to do things. Tell them what to do and they will surprise you with their ingenuity." Gen. George S. Patton, Jr.
November 06, 2012 08:39:54 Denis   yes column 11 very last column all the way down at the bottom it say write in please write in Denis Burpoe as member of council
November 06, 2012 08:03:18 voter   I went to the county clerks office like Mr kerhl because I did not beleive him he was right go to the clerks office you will be voting for one of them today.
November 06, 2012 07:05:21 Just Asking   Dear Voter - Who are the board members with leases? I cannot seem to find them.
November 06, 2012 06:09:43 voter   Mr klehr is right there are 2 board members who have leases.
November 06, 2012 05:53:28 Mr. Burpoe Supporter   When you vote today, write in Denis Burpoe. I have known Denis for years and you will not find someone better to represent this town. He is a man who will ask the difficult questions and take on tough situations with enthusiasm and integrity. Over the years I have watched Denis help our community. From when he ran a basketball clinic at the masonville school for the local children to helping with cooking of the chicken for our memorial day parade. Residents of this town keep calling for a change, don\'t be afraid to take the next step towards creating a town board that will listen to the people without pushing their agendas. Someone who will help the efficiency of our highway department, to make sure that we have an effiecient plan when taking on the work of the town. We all know our town budget is tight, and creating efficiency in our highway department is crucial. Denis is the guy who can make this happen. When push comes to shove over drilling, Denis will ask/answer the tough questions while making sure that everyone is heard. Step back from the computer, step back from the TV, step back from your party affililation, or the masonville \"group\" you support and ask yourself: Do I want to make a decision where I will be just another person tagging behind an agenda driven group, or will I take that chance on a man who has taken a stand to run on his own platform? Denis consistantly stands for his own ideas and he will be there for us, the people of Masonville, when we most need it. Write in Denis Burpoe today, its a move that you won\'t regret.
November 06, 2012 05:40:57 Denis   Grumy we need spell check I have big fingers.
November 06, 2012 05:33:13 Denis Burpoe   Good morning Nasonville today as we make mour way to the ballots we will be thinking about the future of Masonville. I do beleive that when you vote on who can pull us out of the controvercy that surrounds our town. We have Masonville First who is preaching that if you vote anyone but them we will be over run with rift raft. well this is not true. The people who drill (if this happens) are hard working family men who like myself could not find work in their towns and county and have to travel and be away from their families.And are responsibly and caring men who provide for thier families They also will hire a lot of local labor and trucking. Masonville First may stop fracking but the rest of the town will suffer at the town and county level. I am asking for your vote, I will be willing to stand up for what is right and against what is wrong with no affilation to any business or group. I a a citizen of Masonville and could not be more proud to say this is where I chose to live and raise my four son's with the help from my community. Please write in Denis Burpoe as member of council column 11 for the 1 year posistion. I will work hard to make sure the people of Masonville are represented at all levels of town county and state levels. Thank you again this has been a very interesting process God Bless and good luck to all today.
November 05, 2012 20:25:07 Observer   Until Obama took office I always considered John Kennedy the most dangerous president we ever had in the office. But, John Kennedy was dangerous because he was a spoiled rich brat playing at politics and was dangerous out of stupidity. Obama is a man with an agenda and he will stop at nothing to attain his goals. Cost to the country means nothing as long as he gets what he and his cabal have started out to attain. He has managed in 4 years to turn most of the world against us except those who "fit" into his plans.
November 05, 2012 19:56:23 what?   checkmate, I don't believe the enthusiasm is there anymore. If they do they are drinking more than koolaid. Between January 2009 and September 2012, the number of people who aren’t in the labor force shot up 8.2 million, while the number of employed rose just 787,000. Unemployment today is 7.9% — higher than when Obama entered office.Unemployment was above 8% for 38 straight months, actual unemployment is almost 16%. In less than four years, the number of people receiving food stamps has shot up by 15 million. Today, almost one in six Americans is on food stamps. Median household income is down $3,000.47 million people living in poverty and an estimated 23 million either without jobs or underemployed. The National Association of Manufacturers and National Federation of Independent Business, 55% of businesses said they would not have started up in today’s economy, and 69% said the current president’s policies have hurt their business. When President Obama was a candidate, he promised he would halve the deficit by the end of his first term. Yet every budget since he’s been in office has had a larger deficit than the year before and the debt, $10.6 trillion when took office, now exceeds $16 trillion. Rather than cut the deficit by 50%, he’s increased the debt by that much. Newspaper endorsements for Romney-112,Obama-84.Twenty-eight large Democrat newspapers that endorsed Obama in '08 now back Romney, only one that backed McCain in '08 switched to Obama.Obama attended fewer than half of his national security briefings, failed to attend any of his jobs council meetings since 2010 and ignored his own bipartisan Simpson-Bowles Commission's recommendations on the budget. But he played more rounds of golf, had more date nights and spent more on White House dinners than any president in history. The party is over for Obama on Tuesday.
November 05, 2012 17:31:14 Craig DuMond   Mr. Klehr - I have put countless hours into the fracking issue and I apologize for mixing up the he/she semantics. I wouldnt have offered to loan you my copy of the DVD if I hadn't viewed the video myself. I clearly understand who I work for after devoting the last 27 years of my life to public service. I believe in the people of this Town and this is the reason I want to continue to represent them. Additionally, I stand by the fact that I do not have a gas lease and I am unaware of any other board member with a lease. With this being said, this is only a small facet of what it takes to represent a Town and the collective issues of everyone and not just what I believe to be a small group of folks with an agenda. I guess we shall see. Very Respectfully, Craig DuMond
November 05, 2012 17:22:59 checkmate   Are they going to have the little click up at the 4 corners to watch the election again this year as they did 4 yrs ago?
November 05, 2012 16:05:31 Observer   What? I will be honest with you. For the first time in 76 years my government scare the H*** out of me!
November 05, 2012 16:01:35 what?   That's going a little far Observer, Obama doesn't want to cozy up to them. All he did was help put them in control and send them $Billions$ in taxpayer funded aid.
November 05, 2012 15:45:20 Observer   Pakistani girl burned to death with acid because she was flirting with a boy. These are the people Obama wants to cozy up to. Think about it when you vote tomorrow.
November 05, 2012 15:34:19 Observer   Tom that is an interesting fact. I wonder if some of the leases filed with the County are leases from years ago? Now you got me wondering so I will do some looking around myself. Thank you for you reply.
November 05, 2012 15:31:59 tommy klehr observer, the only lists i could find online are the one from the daily star archive (listing 5 leases) and the link you sent. one list i have from the county clerk has 30 leases in masonville.
November 05, 2012 15:19:34 Observer   Tom - Are the documents from the county clerk any different that those published in the Star and on the net? Thanks.
November 05, 2012 15:17:49 tommy klehr voter, i have a copy of some docs from Delhi county clerk's office. send me a private email and i'll send it to you.
November 05, 2012 14:25:14 Observer   Voter does this help? - Vincent Denigris Michael and Karen Patrick Gloria Pieske Larry and Robin Schaefer Dale Wagner
November 05, 2012 14:19:37 Observer   Voter - Look OR look in the Oneonta Daily Star Archives.
November 05, 2012 14:13:32 voter   I can't find the list of who sold thier mineral rights where else can I look?
November 05, 2012 14:05:09 Observer   Polls Open 6 AM EST and close 9 PM EST
November 05, 2012 13:45:38 j. lindberg   ?. what time does masonville voting open in the am tomorrow.?
November 05, 2012 11:23:53 Observer   I note that the USGS recorded a 2.0 earthquake in New Jersey. Are they sure it was not just Gov. Christie stampeding across the platform to embrace Obama?
November 05, 2012 11:22:06 tommy klehr Dear Mr. DuMond, Let me begin by stating that I have never questioned the intelligence of any of the residents of Masonville. Rather, I question whether or not they have actually taken the time to learn the facts or if they are simply relying on that which people in authority tell them. In your role as a town Councilman, you, Mr. DuMond, are a person in a position of authority. For me, it is no longer an issue of whether to frack or not to frack... it is the issue of transparency in town government coupled with conflicts of interest. I am not calling into question your character, Mr. DuMond; I am questioning whether or not you did, in fact, watch Truthland—the movie you recommended I watch to answer my questions regarding the fracking issue. I am curious to know why you would tell me to watch this movie when, in fact, it is very clear that you have not watched it yourself. Had you actually watched it, Mr. DuMond, you would have realized the filmmaker was a woman—not the man to whom you continously referred. Rather than blindly relying on other people's statements, I have searched for answers myself. In my quest for information, I have spent countless hours researching fracking using the internet, talking to people on both sides of the issue, searching for land leases in Masonville and even driving down to Dimock six months ago to “see” things for myself (as you suggested). While I didn't see much in Dimock at that time, I was especially eager to return when Mr. Shepstone offered a tour of some fracking sites at his October 3rd Town Council presentation. I signed up—but have been greatly disappointed as this tour never came to fruition. I do not doubt your sincerity, Mr. DuMond, when you say "The direction of this Town, County, State and Country is of most importance to the very fabric of everything I hold dear." I share your concerns, however, the end does not justify the means. Finally, while I applaud and thank not only you, but all veterans for defending my freedom, your service has no bearing on your current position as a town council member. With all due respect, you are no longer a serviceman, rather, you now serve the people of Masonville. WE are your commanding officer.
November 05, 2012 10:38:36 a reader   Hope the people of Masonville will take into consideration that the current town board has kept Masonville in good standing and spends no time with trying to scare our citizens with ideas of gas drilling,instead they give the facts of what a moratorium and zoning will mean in the future. Many of us work hard and very long hours each day and may not see retirement and large checks each month for the years we have worked, so give us a chance to run our town the way it has always worked. It is good that some have retired from good jobs and decided to enjoy this town, but please do not try to change it or you then will want to leave and go somewhere else because you now do not like us. Please vote for the current board members: Spacaforno, Dumond and Roff they will get the job done right!!!!!!! Thank you
November 05, 2012 10:00:15 Observer   People - come on now! If you have problems spelling please use a spell correction app or at least a dictionary. It is difficult to put much stock in a posting that is filled with spelling and grammatical errors. Yes, I know the usage of the English language is totally different these days but lets not have it happen on this board.
November 05, 2012 09:52:28 HUH!!!   Tomorrow is E-DAY VOTE EARLY AND VOTE OFTEN!!!
November 05, 2012 03:42:18 NRA   Very well put Craig. Me and my family will be voting for what is write with Masonville. Rsidents of Masonville you need not look any further than your world history books to see that Masonville first wants to take all of your rights away first your right to live off the land that you own pay for and work hard to support your family off. Next will be your right to bear arms then they will want a moratorium to ration your food and fuel useses.Then over the years they will push to have you use documents to move around the county so they can monitor your movement.And to pay for all thier demands your tax base will be 75% of your salery. People Masonville first is preaching communisium and socialism not freedom. I will be voting for our veterans that are running.Craig,Mike and Denis.They know what it takes to serve a country.
November 05, 2012 01:21:38 Lisa   The kindling is now claimed. No more calls, please. Thanks!
November 04, 2012 21:25:36 Voter Too!   I think the moratorium vote, as well as the direction of our town, will be decided Tuesday.
November 04, 2012 20:55:08 bertimouse   Dear Craig, Have no fear Sir and Residents of TOM:any moratorium on gas or zoning should be a special Tom-WIDE Vote,right?-Let all of us speak for ourselves.It should be answered by all of us now. Peace.
November 04, 2012 20:19:59 Craig DuMond   Mr. Klehr - I stand by what I have told you. I trust the citizens of our Town much more than the folks of Masonville 1st. These people of this Town I have known and grown up with my whole life are smarter than you think. You see the landowners, farmers, blue stone men and loggers have respected the land and have been trusted stewards of the land for generations. They have the most at stake as they depend on the land to provide a living for their families as well as jobs for others. I trust them as well as the independent scientists who have faithfully studied this topic. More importantly, I am scared as hell about where moratoriums and zoning may take our Town in the future. The entire County s slowly dying. The last thing we need is further restrictions and government intrusion in people's lives. Have you ever served abroad or had a relative serve abroad in harm's way? It surely gives you a different perspective on freedom, rights and liberty? Have you ever risked all to defend the freedoms we take for granted? I can tell you I have and this is something I do not take lightly. The direction of this Town, County, State and Country is of most importance to the very fabric of everything I hold dear. I am sorry for having a different opinion from you and the rest of Masonville 1st. You have the right to your opinion as well as I do mine. I have never made insulting comments or questioned the content of anyone's personal character here or anywhere else. I respectfully as for the same consideration.
November 04, 2012 20:13:11 Robert Beards   This phrase ("what is $500 dollars a month going to do for anyone") is an outright lie told by someone with an apparent complete and utter disregard for the truth.
November 04, 2012 20:01:07 WOW   Robert Beards, husband of Marie Sroka, as well as Tommy Klur and all the masonville 1st just dont understand the community they moved into. Mr. beard's condescending tone on this message board illustrates his and his wifes conduct at board meetings...they act like us country hicks are not sophisticated enough to understand how to make informed decisions on our own and we desperately need the enlightenment of masonville 1st to show us the way. $500 dollars per month no big deal? Thats more than some people make a week in masonville. I am making phone calls tomorrow...these people cannot take over our town.
November 04, 2012 20:00:20 bertimouse   WOW so much talk here-Everyone knows who they will vote for by now,so Happy Voting Yall!-Buckle UpandDown for Wednesday night=Our First Real Nor-Easter they say.It makes sense to be prepared even if it turns out to be a Dudd.
November 04, 2012 19:53:52 Maintain our Rights   The facts are that any moratorium will not be held up without zoning if the Town is taken to Court. Masonville 1st in their zest to get a moratorium will spare no expense litigating this with the State or gas industry and the taxpayers will be the ones on the hook. After all, they have made it clear that $500 a month on taxes is no big deal..."what is $500 dollars a month going to do for anyone". What's another $500 per month to fight for a moratorium? This is the most scary part of the direction Masonville may take the Town! First we open the door with a moratorium, then we go to zoning, then we complain about noise (tractors and trucks), then roads (again, tractors and trucks) and the next thing you know you need a permit to paint your house or a ruler to measure your lawn. Enough is enough already! I sure hope the public shows up Tuesday and votes loud and clear and finally puts an end to this craziness!
November 04, 2012 19:39:47 Land Owner   I read the post by Robert Beards, husband of Marie Sokora, who is running for town council as part of the Masonville 1st group.   Robert explains what a moratorium is and how it would work. It would be a temporary suspension of our property rights for some undetermined period of time. Robert sums up by saying "That's all it is"  "Do you still not understand" I understand only to well. I, as a land owner, who has bought and paid for my land, as well as paid my property taxes, would prefer to keep my property rights. Having my rights taken from me, for even 1 minute, is unexceptable. If Robert can't see the problem of  taking our property rights away from the people of Masonville , even on a temporary basis, it would seem to me that perhaps  robert has a weak moral compass and is unable to tell the difference between right and wrong!  In Roberts case maybe he should surrender his rights to Marie and the Masonville 1st group and let them make decisions for him. I would prefer to make my own decisions regarding my property! After all it is mine!  
November 04, 2012 18:14:17 NRA   Mr. beards after takimg our land rights what is next our right to bear arms
November 04, 2012 16:58:35 Robert Beards   Observer, you are absolutely correct that a moratorium is not a prerequisite to formulating some sort of proper regulations. We plan on hitting the ground running, immediately looking into what regulations would be desirable from Masonville's point of view, and the townspeople will certainly have their say in the process. A moratorium is only a tool (as well as the only tool) to preserve a specific allotment of time (usually just a single year), so the town will have the time needed to get its "ducks in a row" and complete the process before permits are issued.
November 04, 2012 16:02:53 Observer   PS - The fact the cases I read were dealing with zoning already in place leads me to believe a moratorium without zoning would not be upheld by the courts. I could be wrong, and often am, but from my view that is what would happen. As I said I am not a lawyer just an old codger who has been around politics long enough to see what can and does happen.
November 04, 2012 15:53:14 Observer   Robert Beards - Thank you for your reply. Yes, I read the document you mentioned and yes it seems to be clear enough. But, as I tried to say (may not have been very articulate) I was interested in how the courts in NYS interpreted it. As I said I could not find any court rulings on gas drilling. Most of the rulings were dealing with zoning already in place in one fashion or other. As neither side of this issue in Masonville claims to want zoning I am still at a loss as to why the town board, the present one, or the one who will take office after elections, cannot begin to formulate some sort of regulations dealing with the issue rather than pursuing a long drawn out mitigation in the courts. Which is what it will turn out to be in the end.
November 04, 2012 14:41:14 Robert Beards   Observer you state: "Searching around I find a lot of information on moratoria and almost all if has to do with changing or upgrading some sort of zoning." Your search should probably start and end with the document "Land Use Moratoria", the official NY State technical series guide written in plain english specifically for local municipal boards to understand land use moratoria. ITS VERY FIRST SENTENCE reads: "A land use moratorium is a local enactment which temporarily suspends a landowner’s right to obtain development approvals while the community considers and potentially adopts changes to its comprehensive plan and/or its land use regulations to address new circumstances not addressed by its current laws." That's all it is. Do you really still not understand?
November 04, 2012 14:15:09 Observer   While gas drilling in NYS is common and has been around for many years the method called "fracking" is a new phenomena to the residents of this state. And because it is new and unknown we tend to fear that we do not understand. Searching around I find a lot of information on moratoria and almost all if has to do with changing or upgrading some sort of zoning. While I am not a lawyer (thank you God) I cannot find any incidents of the courts ruling on a moratorium on gas drilling. The one thing I do find is the ruling by the courts any moratorium must be applied equally to all. It cannot place the burden on a few. The courts also rule that it must be for a stated attainable purpose for a stated reasonable time for the good of the community as a whole. Now the thing that trouble me about the group asking for a moratorium is the fact their reasons are so general. They state they want the moratoria to allow for breathing room to figure out how to handle the problem of drilling and how it is going to impact the area. Well, this is all and good but, that could take forever before there is agreement among the parties. This fact alone would place an undue burden on those who would act to allow drilling on their legally owned property. Would it not make more sense for the voters to take a referendum to the Town Board asking them to immediately take steps to handle the problem? There is disagreement as to whether zoning must be in place to enact any moratoria on anything. I am not smart enough to understand the minutia of such laws but I do know that any such actions as moratoria is a first step to zoning. I also know that zoning, in almost all cases, is not for the good of the majority but bowing to the desires of a few. In all the case rulings I read (which were quite a few) zoning was already in effect. This alone leads me to believe that while a few courts have ruled that moratoria can be instituted under the police powers of the town board it would be a long drawn out court process to institute an acceptable moratorium on gas drilling as it has not been tested in the courts. As the problem can be handled now by any elected Town Board what is the motive behind wanting a moratorium on drilling? Why not get busy now? Have the town board appoint a committee to look into the legalities of controlling drilling and what we can do to protect ourselves from damage and harm in the future.
November 04, 2012 14:08:52 concerned voter   Never hurts to hope for the best!!
November 04, 2012 13:36:31 Observer   Concerned Voter - I too am seeing a rift developing in the town. But, this comes as no surprise. There is bound to be rifts, disagreements etc. over any subject as sensitive as this "Gas Drilling" subject. I seen this coming waaaay back when I attended a meeting of the committee that was working on the Comprehensive Plan. It became immediately obvious that there was a fight shaping up. The election is not going to end it.
November 04, 2012 13:23:58 concerned voter   Hopefully the name calling and nonsense will end by Tues night. We always have been a great town and it feels like things are going the other way right now. We have many residents that feel they are higher educated than us and can run the town better, hope all think about the past and future of our town and vote for the current town board.
November 04, 2012 13:12:58 Observer   Tom - It does not preserve formatting because from a technical point of view it is supposed to be limited to a paragraph of input for each message. Of course none of us abide by that, including yours truly. :)
November 04, 2012 13:00:29 tommy klehr i really wish the message board would preserve formatting
November 04, 2012 12:59:35 tommy klehr Mr. DuMond, Thank you for responding to my request. In the two weeks that has passed since I asked for this information, I have done some of my own investigating. I was hoping to find more specific documents & web sites that you have used to form your opinion. Supervisor Spaccaforno lent me a copy of TruthLand a few weeks ago. I have watched it twice in that time and I do not agree with your summary of the film, specifically your statement that the farmer has "no agenda." 1. The farmer already has one well on the farm. (~2:40 "Already drilled one well on our land.") 2. The farmer states that "we could have as many as 10 wells" on the farm (~1:10). 3. The film was paid for by the gas industry and their supporters (33:27 "(c) Energy in Depth"; 33:48 "And, Truthland was funded by various natural gas companies."; 34:06 "Special thanks to the JOINT LANDOWNERS COALITION OF NEW YORK, INC. for providing landowner support necessary to produce this movie.") Doing a quick google of "truthland" I found a few interesting items, though I can not vouch for their veracity: Research has revealed that there is trouble in truth land. One of the Depue wells (8H) is severely flawed with a bubbling annulus. An annulus is the cemented layer between layers of steel, you know, the one that 'never leaks' and can survive cannon-type explosions as seen toward the end of the "Truthland" movie. Two more of the Depue wells (2H and 6H) have Pennsylvania DEP violations, which are shown below. Needless to say, it's not going nearly as well as all the "experts" interviewed in the Truthland movie led Shelly to believe it would! In Truthland, a mother concerned about gas drilling on her property goes out on an adventure in search of the truth about gas drilling and comes back home with a rosy picture of safe, reliable natural gas. Since filming, the woman’s well was cited by DEP inspectors last year for improper casing , the cement-encased sleeves that protect well bore from the earth's surface. WPX, the driller of the Depue wells, is being sued by a nearby family over methane contamination. Finally, and with all due respect Mr. DuMond, I question whether or not you have actually watched this film. Besides the points above, the farmer to which you refer in your summary... he is actually a woman named Shelly DePue. tommy From: "DuMond, Craig & Karleen" <> To: Sent: Saturday, November 3, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Info Hi, Tom - I appreciate you sharing your concerns with me at the meet and greet. I understand you are concerned about water qualtiy and the future. I told you I would forward you the information I have researched regarding the drilling issue. The best independent research is from the NYS Environmental Conservation website. There is tons of information regarding the science related to drilling and hype. There is tons and tons of stuff on the internet. I have a copy of a DVDF called "truthland" which was a documentary made by a farmer with no agenda who set out on his own quest to determine if signing a gas lease would be appropriate. He had the same concerns about water quality as you do and his family had farmed the land for literally generations. You see, the best stewards of our land are the farmers...they make their livings off the land and have raised generations of families on the land. In my opinion, they are the experts as well as the scientists. I would be happy to loan you the DVD if you would like to see it. I still stand by Tom Shepstone as well as the CMP that was made by our citizens. I reject the idea of Masonville 1st who apparently feel the citizens of this town are too ignorant to inform themselves and make appropriate decisions concerning the matters at hand. Respectfully, Craig
November 04, 2012 10:32:13 ooooo   Yeah, that what masonville needs...another bob mccarthy (sidney) representing the town on the county board. thats what we will get if troy ramege is our next supervisor! i am voting for mike s.
November 04, 2012 08:49:17 Lisa   I have a nice pile of good kindling wood if anyone wants it. From a huge lilac tree that blew over. It's really dried through nicely and it's good hard wood for burning--lasts a long time. Tarp I had on it partially folded over yesterday, so it got a little wet, but that doesn't matter. It's in 3-4 ft. lengths and it would easily fit in the back of a larger SUV and really easy in a pick-up. You can come and get it. Call me at 265-3413.
November 04, 2012 07:42:51 aesop   Once upon a time there was a magpie struttiing atop a huge pile of manure.As it strutted and cackled and declared "everything you see here is mine to rule over" Mr Dumond is that magpie!
November 04, 2012 05:31:45 xxxxxx   tommy if you do not thnink that you will be represented by the board now wait until you vote in troy as your supervisor can't wait to have him represent the town at the county level.
November 03, 2012 19:22:07 what?   I have been mostly anti-fracking. Lately I have thought a little more about it. tommy klehr do you walk to work, buy food at a grocery store or toilet paper etc. Whether we like it or not our daily lives revolve around fuel. Even solar panel and wind mill production can not be possible without fuel. I think we need to stop being hypocrites and telling people what they can and can\'t do with their property they bought and pay taxes on. We need to stop being hypocrites enjoying everything that fuel gives us, and wanting the rest of our country to supply it for us (not in my back yard but it is OK for all the rest of the states to drill and ship it to NY), or buy it from countries that hate us.
November 03, 2012 19:20:04 what?   Actually Observer Obama tried to change the Constitution with his unConstitutional Obamacare mandate of forced to buy healthcare. The Supreme Court ruled that it was legal as long as their fine was called a tax. If you choose not to or can't afford health care you will be charged a tax for the penalty.
November 03, 2012 17:35:05 tommy klehr Let me begin by saying that I care deeply about the town of Masonville and it is for this reason I write today. Masonville is a small community currently governed by the team of Jeri Brayman, Craig Dumond, Steve Roff, and Betty Scott, led by Supervisor Mike Spaccaforno. While I find this current board friendly enough, I have considerable concerns regarding the issues of fracking, transparency and conflicts of interest. Recently, the Masonville Town Board invited Tom Shepstone from Energy In Depth Northeast Marcellus Initiative to present at a town board meeting. His presentation was biased, obviously, and he told everyone up front about that. However, the presentation was unfair to the town since an opposing viewpoint was not presented. Supervisor Spaccaforno stated to me that this was, in fact fair, since for the last months-to-year the audience floor time has been used to talk about the other side. I don't agree with Mr. Spaccaforno on this, since Mr. Shepstone's appearance was requested by the council. I asked if Mr. Spaccaforno would have another presentation before the election, in order to better educate the voters. Not till after the election, was his response. Yet back in August Supervisor Spaccaforno promised to have a presentation by both sides of the issue. Mr. Shepstone helped the town write the Masonville Comprehensive Master Plan in 2008. When Mr. Shepstone gave his recent presentation on October 3rd, he held up the CMP as evidence that the town wants to preserve the individual landowner's rights for drilling. Yet the survey on which CMP was based has no reference to drilling. The references to drilling that are in the CMP are recommendations that Mr. Shepstone added. Mr. Shepstone now represents the gas & oil industry. I ask once again if his involvement is a conflict of interest? Supervisor Spaccaforno has told me privately that he has not made up his mind about drilling. Yet he has a pro-drilling sign in front of his house in Trout Creek. Mr. Spaccaforno has also stated, in a town council meeting, that he would not support a moratorium even if a large portion of the population wants one. At the Republican Meet & Greet session a few weeks ago, I asked Councilman Dumond for references to the information on which he has formed his opinions, to which he agreed. He has still to send them to me. [Mr. Dumond did email me a response this afternoon – two weeks after my request.] I also asked him if he was aware of any gas leases in Masonville. He stated, quite unequivocally, that he is unaware of any gas leases. Having heard that there are, in fact, a number of leases in town, I did some research. Very quickly I found a map online which shows land in Masonville with leases. I also found an article in the Daily Star from 2008 listing 5 landowners in Masonville with leases. I spent a few hours yesterday afternoon in the county clerk's office in Delhi and found 30 Masonville landowners with leases. These go back to 2001. I find it quite hard to believe that Mr. Dumond, having spent 12 years serving Masonville, is unaware of any of these leases. I'll let you draw your own conclusions. Two of our current board members have gas leases. Another board member's close family has a lease. Are these conflicts of interest? Council members have used the word "zoning" to scare voters from pursuing a moratorium. According to the Land Use Moratoria document and Judge Lebous's recent ruling, zoning is not required for a moratorium. "It is clear that a municipality can enact laws pursuant to its police powers to protect the health, safety and welfare of its citizens, and it does not have to do so through a zoning law." [p11-12 Judge Lebous's ruling] In conclusion, I believe that the current town council members do not represent me or my views for the future of Masonville. I will be voting for the new team from the Masonville First Party: Kathy Klopchin, Troy Ramage, and Marie Sroka. The unofficial Masonville message board can be found here: The 2008 article from the Daily Star can be found here: A map showing gas leases in Delaware county (as of January 2012) can be found here: The CMP and survey results can be found here: The Land Use Moratoria document can be found here: The text of the Judge Lebous's ruling can be found here:
November 03, 2012 17:11:16 Observer   I just looked up the US Constitution of the United States to see if it had been changed by Obama yet. I was pleasantly surprised to find that it still starts out "WE THE PEOPLE". I am not sure how much longer it will say that but lets take advantage of the that while we may. VOTE HIM OUT OF OFFICE ON TUESDAY!!
November 03, 2012 15:33:47 Observer   If you have not viewed the video entitled "The Determinator Movie" I urge you to do so. It is a video that exposes the true intent of the so called "Obamacare act". We Americans MUST deliver to our representatives the ultimatum to repeal this worse than socialized medicine. The "one payer" system will become a way of controlling every aspect of our daily lives. To see the video just type "The Determinator Movie" into your search engine. Several will come up and at least one will feature the entire video.
November 03, 2012 13:30:33 citizen   Hope all will reassess the idea of voting M. Soroka in as a board member. From what I can see she is the most disrespectful person I have seen at public meetings in years. Since she has only one concern, gas drilling, that means she will spend the entire time, if elected, finding fault and doing nothing constructive for our town. As for K.Kolopchin, she feels that videoing meetings to check any error our board makes is the only thing to do. All of her comments have also been drilling. And T. Ramage just does not show at meetings for any reason. Do you really want these people to run our town????? Hope everyone thinks before they vote for this group. Vote for the team representing us now, Spacaforno, Roff and Dumond we know what they can do and have done!!!!!!!
November 03, 2012 12:59:34 what?   I agree Observer, Steam Mill is just a typical road, it's not that bad at all. It is not a street in a town and never will be perfect. Like I said before,I drove over Sherman Hill rd from Sidney Center to Franklin, both have a larger tax base than Masonville. Over 20 nice houses (not a camp, or maybe someday a house or two like Shears rd)on the part of the road that is ALL DIRT.People should stop whining. I live on a County maintained road. It looks paved, but is tar and stone, and is redone every couple of years. When they have put it off for three years it gets really rough. I imagine the cost to the taxpayer is astronomical just to maintain this one stretch of road. It's not like they pave once and the cost is done with, our roads cost us tons of money to maintain , even the state roads. If your road is rough, or missing shoulders, slow down.
November 03, 2012 11:30:47 Observer   Denis- I think "Smooth Roads" is referring to roads where "officials" live not necessarily an "official list" kept somewhere by someone. I have been following the chat about the roads in Masonville; so I took a trip from one end of Steam Mill to the other. I did not see that it was any worse or better than the average Town or County maintained road. If one considers these roads are rural in nature and not super highways then one can understand that they are not meant for high speed travel. For that matter the State maintained highway (206) through the hamlet is not exactly the Autobahn. The state "patched" the holes only to make them worse in some ways.
November 03, 2012 10:08:16 steam mill   traveller is right. complaints about highways should go to the highway supervisor. The board does not direct the highway activities...that is what the highway supervisor is for. I have actually observed some differences between the board and highway supervisor at some meetings. However, mr smith has said at board meetings that Steam mill is going to be fixed and that it is a priority. people really should come to the board meetings and become more informed.
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