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October 12, 2012 06:51:42 Reasonable   New York is on a fast track toward total fianancial collapse. We have no money but we continue to come with more entitlement programs every day...we have no money but we advertise for people to come out and sign up for these programs...we have no money but we now have 2 generations of folks who will never work and have become totally dependent on the welfare system, their dignity robbed by the same individuals that claim to want to help them...we have no money but we issue free cell phones, free cars, big screen TVs, unlimited health care with no co-pays and at the same time lay off public employees because we have no money. Obama could learn a few tricks from Prince Andrew, both socialists that dont even have a fundemental knowledge on how the economy really works. Masonville is not the only critical election this year...its been like watching a train wreck in slow motion, both on the State and Federal levels. Lets not watch it a 3rd time on our local Town level...
October 11, 2012 23:20:34 what?   Just re-read it on the official site, not 'media' but the Tax Foundation,(a non-partisan, non-profit research organization that has monitored tax policy at the federal, state and local levels since 1937.)." New York slid past New Jersey for the bottom spot by having the worst individual income tax, the sixth-worst unemployment insurance taxes, and the sixth-worst property taxes."
October 11, 2012 23:13:37 what?   For which issue Berti? If it is NY being the worst for Business, that would be 2013 State Business Tax Climate Index according the Tax Foundation, in the U S of A. In the order of the states that have the "business-friendliest" tax climates, NY now ranks 50th, 0 from the bottom. Of the BOTTOM ten states where jobs are not being created, welfare is, unemployment is high, are all Democrat controlled states, or have been for a long time.
October 11, 2012 20:16:26 bertimouse   Would like to see where your Sources are from,What? Lots of Folks say lots of things. If you trust any reporting Media today-without them quoting a Source? -Its just them speaking their own opinions,LOL! Theres Way Too Much Media Hype and Spin these days, Especially During Major Elections: whether its local,regional or National. They all are just doing their jobs-to get their ratings up. They dont care about anyone but themselves and that. They(the Spin Doctors&Media Moguls)should leave us all alone to decide for ourselves;based on our own opinions&research of what we hear & see from all of the political candidates. Yah right,what? It would be interesting to see how much money gets funneled from the TV,etc.networks to the various political campaigns and,why isnt that transparent? Because the media folks dont want us to know stuff like that. Why?Because we would all know how Dirty the Political Game(and It Is All A Game)Is. No Party is immune. Theyre all Crooks. They All make "back-room" deals both locally,regionally and nationally. In Any Election These Days whether Locally,Regionally or Nationally,all you Have to Decide on Who To Vote For is:1.Whos the Least Crook? 2.Whos gonna Help Me&My Cares The Most? Sad to Say but that appears to be our Reality in 2012.
October 11, 2012 19:39:59 bertimouse   Bravo Kendal.
October 11, 2012 15:02:09 kendal   Just to be CLEAR. This is NOT the town junk clean up day which happens (or not) in Spring.
October 11, 2012 14:59:58 kendal   Masonville's Meet up & clean up VOLUNTEER DAY is Saturday, October 20th, 9am @the Four Corners. This is an opportunity to get together with your neighbors and spruce up Masonville. We'll be picking up litter, cleaning sidewalks, and planting flower bulbs, so please wear good shoes and bright clothing. Gloves, trowels, flat head shovels and smiles are welcome!
October 11, 2012 08:52:52 tax payer   Hope all remember to vote at school, also you can call district office and they will mail form for absentee ballots.
October 11, 2012 04:28:19 what?   Berti, did you know New York switched places this year with New Jersey to become the state ranked as having the worst business tax climate in the United States.New York ranks 50th in the individual tax index rank, and 45th in the unemployment insurance tax rank and property tax rank. New York (50th), New Jersey (49th), and California (48th). Of the BOTTOM ten, it's kind of funny that almost all these states are Democratic controlled, or had been for a long time.
October 11, 2012 04:19:16 what?   I agree,Observer! But can you imagine telling your neighbor he can't cut the mature trees on their property they pay tax on because it will deplete the oxygen supply? Do we still drive cars?? I just wish they would get the chemicals out of the water, and I don't believe it is just a little "fabric softener".
October 11, 2012 04:12:07 what?   I haven't seen it up close, but the unusable, 10yr old football field is still in use, lit right up last weekend again. Two weeks ago they played on it after a full day of rain!
October 10, 2012 20:19:08 Voter Too!   It was nice to wake up and see the signs put up from the incumbent Town Board candidates. I hope they do more to get their traditional values message out to the voters. We do not need radical changes in Masonville...I am comfortable with the way business is done and the Board's traditional vision for the Town.
October 10, 2012 20:17:40 bertimouse   New York States economy is skewered by having "wall street" ie: the largest banks and brokers in this country: as one of our err, businesses. It would be interesting if you transplanted that to Nebraska or any other state in the Union and then see what their economy numbers would add up to. Our Housing industry is UP, along with the rest of the country...good sign.
October 10, 2012 19:48:38 Observer   No pun or insult intended. For all I know there might be someone in Masonville named Small! Or even Landowner LOL !
October 10, 2012 18:50:33 R. Little   Observer, please use "Mr. Small landowner" instead of "Mr. Little Landowner". I am sure you weren't aware that there is a family here in Masonville with the name Little. Thank you.
October 10, 2012 18:38:03 SCSD vote Tues. Oct 30 2012 7am-8pm   SCSD - Propositions 7.7 million capital project & District capital reserve of 1.5 million to help fund future needs!! Vote: October 30 2012 7am - 8am Projects: auditorium upgrades $600,000. athletic field $3,000,000. new boilers & ADA issues $2.1 million. District up-front funds from Reserve: 1.5 million. State EXCEL fund $321,668. district borrowed from Bond 5.8 million. 15yr $552,250 per yr. State aid rec'd annually $441,500. LOCAL COST $115,000 annually. Cap Reserve fund up to 1.5 million for 10yrs. $$ to be used for future maintance
October 10, 2012 17:17:43 Observer   One thing I have noted missing in all the rhetoric about drilling or not drilling is this: If Mr. Big Landowner living next to Mr. Little Landowner, who is not in line to make the big bucks that Mr Big Land Owner is in line to make, allows drilling on his land and it turns out that the drilling ruins Mr Little Landowner's property, i.e. Water etc. Is Mr Big Landowner willing to buy Mr. Little Landowner out seeing as his property is now unlivable?
October 10, 2012 17:13:04 good idea   Hopefully NY will see this someday,even Masonville.
October 10, 2012 16:05:53 what?   North Dakota, behind strong oil and gas development, has seen its economy expand while unemployment has remained low. Revenue was so great in North Dakota due to natural gas development, there was such a surplus in tax money that there was a push to abolish property taxes in the state.
October 10, 2012 15:57:40 what?   I hope my neighbors don't allow drilling on them, I'm still not convinced the chemicals in the frack water is safe. Zoning will affect all our TRADITIONAL Masonville industries, such as logging and bluestone quarrying, Zoning will NOT be beneficial to Masonville as far as making a living on what we have to offer goes. $BILLIONS$ have been made in other states, states that are the ONLY ones adding jobs in Obama's economy. If it wasn't for the states and towns that are taking advantage of what this country has to offer in natural resources unemployment under Obama would be much worse.
October 10, 2012 12:34:07 concerned voter   Mr. Beards- no one said you were not intelligent people, all that was said was that of all the meetings your group has attended, no one speaks of anything at all except drilling. There must be something else that concerns you with our town. Also, we are also educated and hard working people that have earned our living in and around Masonville, and some of us have come from downstate and are still concerned about other issues on a day to day basis. There was no insult intended, just food for thought. Please remember that life will go on once this drilling issue in NYS is settled, and it will take the entire state to make the decision, not just Masonville (yes, others in the state feel as your group does)
October 10, 2012 12:26:54 Denis Burpoe   Pennsylvania has approved the first natural gas power plant using the gas from the Marcellus Shale. What a novel concept wonder what their electric bills would be now that they do not have to buy resources from another Country Please Vote for Denis Burpoe as your write in Candidate on election day. He will Support and represent all the people of Masonville. ie: I am not a member of Masonville 1st. I did walk along side of the People of Masonville that fought to save our school.
October 10, 2012 11:58:23 Robert Beards   Just thinking? If you recall, when the school closing was the overwhelmingly important main issue, that's the issue the candidates ran on. It's taken for granted that normal day to day town activity and ongoing town priorities are expected to be attended to when one is in office. Why do you describe Masonville 1st's candidates as potentially so foolishly derelict of office, when their all written statements indicate they are not such simple-minded people?
October 10, 2012 10:45:02 just thinking   Just hope that all remember that there is a lot more to running a town than gas drilling issues. If we live our lives with "what if " we would not go outside and do any thing with the fear of being hit by a car and dieing. There are a lot of, what if's, with gas drilling but with other things also. If Masonville 1st takes on the town board, we will not have to worry about going to work next winter, because the town crew will be out trying to figure out how to stop drilling instead of plowing roads. Really, Masonville 1st ,there is more to life and we , here in Masonville have shown it for the past 200 years! The current town board has all town issues as a priority.
October 09, 2012 23:24:26 bertimouse   dont bet on it town resident. Seems like the Times They Are A Changing. Like a Duck on Water; just let it roll off your back. :)
October 09, 2012 23:07:54 bertimouse   Yup. From what you can tell. Might be what others can though eh? just saying. Haven't decided here yet. Thanks for your comments neighbor - food for thought to chew on.
October 09, 2012 20:58:42 Reasonable   From what I can tell (I have atended MANY board meetings) this election is about us continuing to live a lifesyle free of Town Board intrusions, regulations, etc versus moving toward zoning, moritoriums, land use regulations, etc. Even though the spokeperson of Masonville 1st (Marie Sroka) is inbending (wont even conside others opinions)is her position regarding moritoriums, none of the other Masonville 1st candidates stop her, slow her down or speak out against her; which leads me to believ they share her views and opinions regarding the future of Masonville. The Masonville 1st Supervisor candidate has yet to attend one board meeting (there are now more leading up to the election) to show a vested interest in the position. I have said it before and I will say it again, I am voting for the incumbants on the board because they are very clear regarding their positions on opposing moritoriums, zoning, land use regs,etc. I may not agree with them all the time (and I dont and have spoken publicly about it) however they all share a common thread regarding our freedoms and that is good enough for my vote!
October 08, 2012 11:07:02 just another voter   maybe Masonville 1st needs a new spokesperson and more people could understand their thoughts.
October 08, 2012 09:42:59 George Denys   Just an observation, not all Masonville First folks are of the same mind. You should, and have a responsibility to, find out each of their positions. You might be surprised.
October 08, 2012 09:19:38 voter   good job, resident of masonville!
October 07, 2012 11:15:56 resident of masonville   resident, I could not agree with you more, Marie is a very obnoxious, loud person and that is what the council does not need. She and the other Masonville 1st show no interest in our town except gas drilling. Not that this is not important but will probably not happen for a long time. Until then do we forget our roads, budget, town highway dept. issues and everything else????
October 07, 2012 05:42:47 resident   town resident there is a differnence between sitiing down a listening and brutaly forcing your opinion on everyone and condeming tye people for not agreeing.I saw the look in her eyes she scared me.Denis was right he has my vote.
October 06, 2012 16:16:05 OLD TIMER   WHATS WITH SHEARS RD,I SEEN A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN LATELY.A TOLL SHOULD BE INSTALL AT THE CROSS ROAD,TO RISE MONEY SO THAT TAXES WONT HAVE TO BE RISE AND GET SHEARS RD PAVED.AT NEXT TOWN MEETING LETS PUSH FOR IT!!
October 06, 2012 12:00:43 town resident   Looks like all has settled down from last council meeting, hopefully by next month if we have another guest speaker all of our audience will set quietly and respect the board members as well as the speaker. Also the election will be over and that may quiet some down.
October 05, 2012 10:10:29 Observer   I am sure that over the years many candidates for office in Masonville have visited residents. But in the 11 or so years I have lived within the boundries of Masonville I have not received a visit from a candidate with the exception I mentioned. And, George Dnys may have stopped by the first time he ran for the board. I do not really recall. What I am trying to say is this: Maybe the "local" candidates are passing up an opportunity to clarify their opposition to the other group. Most of these small towns live very much in the past. Political office candidates run on the fact "everyone knows me and loves me so they will vote for me" mentality. Or elections were pretty much based on the power the candidate holds in or over the community. Those days are rapidly drawing to a close. I vividly recall attending a town board meeting (not this town) where a discussion of a subject came up and the Town Supervisior was against the proposal. I quote what he said, " I do not give a D a m n what the public wants. I do not want it and it will not happen.". The board and public accepted it without a whimper. Why? Because the supervisor was the power center of the town.
October 05, 2012 10:03:47 a concern neighbor   So when they are going to put a traffic light on shears rd by the 4 ways. thats a very busy 4 ways. very dangerous .... ??? by the way seen a hunter this morning pulling a big buck atleast a 12 ptr.out of the statelands on shears road. BIG DEER........Nice RACK..
October 05, 2012 04:37:44 what?   berti, Observer stated that "Maybe the "locals" can learn something from the "downstaters"", being the 'controversial' 'Masonville First' group visited his house and let him know their platform. This isn't anything 'new', the people running for election, re-election could have learned this from longtime TOM Supervisor Jack Thomas who got thrown under the bus after the school was closed.
October 04, 2012 22:13:17 bertimouse   What?s your point with the \"starting this\" comment? Starting What what?
October 04, 2012 21:51:30 what?   FYI, Observer our past elected Conservative Supervisor Jack Thomas visited our house every election. Thomas served on the county board from 1978 to 2005. The Liberal "downstaters" didn't start this.
October 04, 2012 19:21:37 bertimouse   well spoken and well agreed upon, Observer. Hear Here TOM! :)
October 04, 2012 17:15:04 Observer   I note that Tom Shepstone was the speaker at the meeting. I thought everyone was aware he is a shill for the gas industry. I told him so to his face. Not that there is anything wrong with taking that stand but he should be upfront and above the table on that subject.
October 04, 2012 16:55:24 Observer   I will say the Masonville First group is the very first candidates for any town office that has made an attempt to visit prospective voters and explain their platform. I was totally shocked when several of them stopped by my home and chatted with me. Over the years I have not even spoken to but one or two board members let alone stopping at my home. I know some by sight from having been at Town Board meetings but never outside that. Maybe the "locals" can learn something from the "downstaters".
October 04, 2012 15:02:52 Reasonable   Grumpy, our Supervisor, Mr. Spaccaforno, is AGAINST a moratorium at this point as is the rest of board at this point. The Board wants to wait and see what the State develops for regulations first, as until we know what we are dealing with, we will not know how to responsibly regulate it and protect the Town and it\'s people. This is a very simple, common sense approach and I support the Board in their courage by not bending to the political pressure of the minority, Marie Sroka and the rest of the Masonville 1st crowd. To try and plan for something we do not know anything about is like planning for the next invasion of aliens!!!
October 04, 2012 13:46:45 Denis Burpoe dburpoe@yahoo.com Haven\'t read the board in awhile lot going on. I was at the meeting last night was taken back by vicious attack on the guest speaker the board and the People of Masonville by Marie. I conduct project meeting weekly for the State of New york to resolve thousands some times hunderds of thousands of dollars of conflicts for the State Construction Fund and beleive me we do not agreee but we are civil and respectful of others and thier opinions. I can now see why the board has become frustrated with masonville first. Marie Asked a question I thought that the response was clearly thought out and hit all the points of her question, I do not beleive Marie even heard the response and went ballastic on the Speaker and the Board.Not good business for some who wants to represent all the people of Masonville. Now I do as your board member I will represent, Debate and solve issues that arise weather daily, weekly, monthly or hourly this is what I do. I will not sit back and watch this happen if elected. Please I will be running as a write in canidate for Town Councilman and it would be a great honer to serve a community that has shown nothing but respect and kindness for the last 26 years, Thank you I have been and will be campaining up to election please call me with any questions I\"m in the phone book same #for 25 years.
October 04, 2012 13:32:52 Grumpy Ernst Keidel CDR.Keidel@gmail.com Alas, a loud and vociferous meeting, last night. It was led off by Tom Shepstone, a guest speaker who sought to enlighten us to the benefits and consequences of fracking. During "Floor Time" the meeting quickly disintegrated into shouting and flaring tempers. To frack or not to frack remains the question. I think Mr. Spaccaforno has the right idea wanting a moratorium so we can better see what\'s what.
October 04, 2012 12:58:34 attends meetings   Mr. Jackson, great job, it is about time someone spoke up and tried to get some order to our meetings. I have no idea why M.Soraka would speak the way she does at meetings, not a good impression for a council candidate. Maybe where she comes from that is how things are done but not in Masonville, we do like respect, even if she thinks that she is better than the rest of us.
October 04, 2012 11:54:42 another voter   Just Me, Could not agree with you more. Also, the man running for supervisor of our town, never even shows for meetings, I would say someone has talked him into running and he really has no desire too. Maybe Masonville 1st are really showing their true colors and many people are starting to see how they really feel about Masonville. Seems to be their way or nothing, also seems they think nothing but drilling, you think the roads are bad now, wait and see how things would be if they were ever elected! I have a lot of faith in our residents and feel they can see that the existing board is for the better of Masonville. Hope all get out and vote for current council members.
October 04, 2012 11:22:38 Just me   I was appalled last night at the obnoxiousness of one that is running for a seat on Masonville Town Board. She should be ashamed of herself for treating the Board and a Guest speaker as she did. Maybe downstate where she and her attitude came from she can treat people like that..but not in my town! She will not have my vote. Kudos to Mr Jackson!!!
October 04, 2012 08:30:26 resident   The Town Board already appointed Mike Ellis he will do a great Job.
October 04, 2012 08:19:40 MV Resident   Lee for dog catcher!!!!!
October 03, 2012 22:11:30 attended meeting   Very informative meeting at town hall, should help clear a lot of questions. Hopefully one person running for seat on council changes the way she presents questions or no one should vote for her. (Very rude and disrespectful of the person doing his presentation and she made our town look bad)Her actions show she really does not care for Masonville.
October 03, 2012 19:47:46 MASONVILLE FD MEMBER   MAYOR LEE FOR MV ANIMAL CONTROL UNIT !
October 03, 2012 15:42:46 resident of masonville   The board meeting tonight is to be about gas drilling and should help clear up a lot of unknowns. 7.30 Wed.
October 03, 2012 14:53:10 City Folks   I am for Mr. Lee of Shears rd. to be the new dog catcher in MV ... !!!!!!!!!!!
October 03, 2012 14:50:49 TX-1   Hey,I propuse Mr.Lee for dog catcher in Town.
October 03, 2012 12:10:10 confussed   closing down the countryside care center in delhi. Not one word from any town board or the board of supervisors. The county and towns just threw our elderly and diabled to the curb. watch out people another tax increase to make up for the work our supervisors were not qualtified to handle. the answer to this problem now will be tax tax tax the working man.
October 03, 2012 11:46:09 another voter   All should attend the town board meeting tonight. It is said to be very informative and good for all to be there.
October 02, 2012 14:36:54 Jeri Brayman, town council member   Masonville residents-- Since Mr. Tiska resigned as dog control officer, we are in need of someone to take on this job. If there is anyone interested please contact one of the town council members or Mr. Spacaforno. This will be discussed at Wed. meeting on 10/3/12.
September 29, 2012 16:12:47 resident   Hopefully all will get out and vote their choice for the School budget, I did hear that the State had to step in and do some work on our education at our school because our rating was so low. Maybe instead of a new field we could use some new teachers and a few aids that really care about education.
September 29, 2012 11:55:35 Observer   If American school systems put half the effort into educating our children as they do into sports; American schools would not be somewhere down the list of education.
September 29, 2012 01:24:10 what?   Question, to those that might know from one that doesn't? We used to practice and play on the Keith Clark park field, when I was in school in the 90s, what happened to that? Is that field all the sudden unplayable also?
September 29, 2012 01:18:02 what?   Congratulations to the Sidney Warriors on their win for Homecoming, defeating Greene tonight 21-8. They done darn good on their "unplayable" field after a whole day of rain! Do we really need to dump a few $million$ on artificial turf? Is the SCSD playing 'US'. The vote on the SCSD $7.7 million capital project is Oct 30. Remember, even though 'they say' the money isn't all coming from 'US' we are all Americans, and tax payers, we are all 'US' whether on a local, state or federal budget. Does it NEED to be spent, you vote, you make the decision. Oct 30 7 a.m. to 8 p.m. in the high school lobby.
September 28, 2012 21:04:00 what?   Just drove through Sidney, the football field is lit right up! The 'unusable' football field just went through a whole day of rain, but apparently it was good to go for the Sidney Homecoming game! The vote on the SCSD $7.7 million capital project is Oct 30. Good luck to the boys anyway, hope they kick Greene's but t. I've heard they have been playing really good, guess they don't need the $multi-million$ artificial turf.
September 28, 2012 11:15:47 another voter   The current board is doing a good all around job and does not just worry about one thing, drilling, this can become very annoying and it shows that the new want to be board members would do less of an all around job. They seem to have one issue and only one issue, that does not work in small towns.
September 27, 2012 21:02:30 bertimouse   Or 3.get new local govt leaders that can deal with what budget we have. Good luck with that with all the prices going up everywhere. Good news is the SCSD taxes went down by 2.2 percent. Dont believe that report here even if it is in writing. Theres always a way to make yourself look good on paper. Wall Street taught all the Crooks Everywhere how to do that and the SCSD is one.
September 27, 2012 18:58:38 bertimouse   Didnt say Govt "handouts", said big Govt Help - big difference. Some help you have to pay back. If the TOM cant maintain the roads properly with their current budget then they need to either 1.raise taxes or 2.get help from outside Grants from the Govt like they have always done in the past. Thought folks already knew about this fact. Not part of that 1st movement here. Pro-driller but Anti-Fracker and just a concerned citizen for the health & safety of all of us. Dont have any opinion on Zoning except that that issue shouldnt be the only one to consider regarding the coming gas pipeline installations. A little more politeness regarding replies would be appreciated here from my neighbors please:OK, Whatever?
September 27, 2012 14:19:05 Observer   Yet Another Voter - I am not going to dismiss the Masonville 1st group out of hand. I do think they are going about the thing the wrong way and are unrealistic in thier expectations. I do not know Mr. Beard but perhaps one day we will meet and have a nice friendly discussion about the entire matter.
September 27, 2012 14:03:58 Observer   I went to do all the paper work to run for office and I was told there was no office of Grand High Exahlted Emperor in Masonville!!!!
September 27, 2012 14:02:10 yet another voter.   The people of Masonville don't keep their "head in the sand"; if they did the town wouldn't have lasted as long as it has. Voters will not be swayed by scare tactics that Masonville 1st group. This group needs to stop telling older people things to scare them.
September 27, 2012 12:32:43 another voter   Maybe if all of the candidates running for office were interested enough to attend most board meetings and show an interest in something other than gas drilling it would show they really do care about our town not, just themselves!And their own concerns.
September 27, 2012 11:18:55 Robert Beards   Observer, you say "but the problem being no one on the Town Board at this time has put forth any intent to update, change or nullify the Comprehensive Plan now in place in Masonville. Are you not putting the cart before the horse? When the Town Board, either of its own volition or through public pressure votes to change the Comprehensive Plan that is the time to talk moratorium." Masonville 1st is the voice for all residents who understand that our Comprehensive Plan was written by a representative of the gas industry, that it purposely draws false conclusions from our survey results, and that it lays Masonville wide open to virtually anything the gas industry wishes to do here. Those who vote for Masonville 1st candidates want a Town Board that is willing and eager to correct this asap, and do not want to leave it to Albany to make every important decision regarding Masonville's future. Remember, in his last statement to the Board, former Board member George Denys clearly stated he saw the need to revise our Comprehensive Plan. The idea of revising or updating it is no surprise, it has been a subject that comes up quite a bit. The current Board steadfastly refuses to act. This inaction may cost Masonville dearly down the road. If you love our town and see that we cannot continue to "keep our heads in the sand", if you see what is on the horizon you will see there is a need to act now to be best prepared. By the way, anyone mentioning zoning again will be ignored from here on, as I've made clear numerous times it is not required! We don't call for it!
September 27, 2012 10:12:35 ###   In the past, Mr. Dumond went house to house when he was running against Mr. Thomas. As a landowner and taxpayer I will vote for the people who support not having zoning. It does appear that "down staters" move here to get away from zoning but then want it after they have been here a little while or when things don't go their way of thinking.
September 27, 2012 10:10:16 what?   Whatever?, what? is the state, and the Counties excuse for their roads? The State and County actually have the equipment necessary to perform road repairs. I haven't really noticed any town roads that are unusable, small potholes help slow down the speed demons. There isn't a road in Masonville that we need to drive 70.
September 27, 2012 10:08:05 Observer   Mr Beard you state in your last post:" It clearly states that the intent to update the Comprehensive Plan is adequate reason to put a moratorium in place." (refering to the document you mention in your post.) Yes it does, but the problem being no one on the Town Board at this time has put forth any intent to update, change or nullify the Comprehensive Plan now in place in Masonville. Are you not putting the cart before the horse? When the Town Board, either of its own volition or through public pressure votes to change the Comprehensive Plan that is the time to talk moratorium. Not permanent zoning but a moratorium on specific acts for a stated length of time. It would sound to this poor ignorant soul that you and your group want to institute zoning haphazardly in ways to suit your own interests rather than knowing exactly what the State of New York is going to allow in this "fracking" situation.
September 27, 2012 08:50:21 That person   AS I recall one person got very angry at one of the comprhensive plan meetings and called Tom Shepstone a shill for the gas industry. Then the person walked out.
September 27, 2012 07:50:53 Whatever?   bertimouse you have no clue. Now pay attention we pay to have our roads in safe and good condition. Berti if a private contractor took your money for a service that they do not perform they would be locked up and convicted in the press. But if a town takes your money for a service and does not perform the service all they say is we are saving money but still no service. Now remember berti they will take your property if you do not pay them for a non service just look around that is what is happening do to lack of leadership.
September 27, 2012 00:19:22 what?   Hey berti, "Government handouts" WE PAID for them, there is a difference. The Government supplies nothing! that WE didn't already pay for.
September 27, 2012 00:05:37 what?   WOW! I'm still a pro-driller,anti-fracker, I think we should keep the chemicals OUT of the water. A moratorium? We basically have been under one, quite a lot of time has passed since the first thought of 'fracking'. It has given us all time to think. How many YEARS do we need? Zoning will affect all our TRADITIONAL Masonville industries, such as logging and bluestone quarrying, Zoning will NOT be beneficial to Masonville as far as making a living on what we have to offer goes. $BILLIONS$ have been made in other states, states that are the ONLY ones adding jobs in Obama's economy. If it wasn't for the states and towns that are taking advantage of what this country has to offer in natural resources, Obama's $TRILLION$ dollar 'recovery' would be on the triple negative instead of his double negative jobs created(record deficit, record debt, record unemployment, record job losses (he keeps saying his Presidency is "Historic"). While I am still on the NO Frack side of this, lets take Liberal Democrat former Speaker of the House of Representatives advice when she (Polosi) said about the Unconstitutional FORCED upon you 'Obamacare' "We should pass it to see what is in it" (she didn't want to read the 2,700 pages of the forced upon Unconstitutional (unless you call it a TAX) Bill). Lets see what drilling can bring NY, we can always stop it if it isn't good, just like we are going to stop Obamacare from ruining this country come November.
September 26, 2012 23:44:30 Robert Beards   "But I do believe you are incorrect when you state that zoning is not necessary to pass a moratorium on drilling in the Town of Masonville. If it is not zoned then what would the moratorium be declared on?" Please, please read the Land_Use_Moratoria.pdf document. This is one of a series of state issued guides for municipalities. It really explains Land Use Moratoria quite well. It clearly states that the intent to update the Comprehensive Plan is adequate reason to put a moratorium in place. Though townspeople did give input to the making of the survey and the Comprehensive Plan, in fact it was crafted by Tom Shepstone. Tom is not a Masonville resident and is instead a gas industry "hired gun." The survey did not mention gas exploration and extraction at all, the residents overwhelmingly favored "the rural atmosphere" and "lack of development", and yet Shepstone twisted his survey result interpretation in his Comprehensive Plan to lay Masonville out for easy pickin's when his bosses arrive. We need to address this asap!
September 26, 2012 21:49:47 curious   Bertimouse Just what does government handouts have to do with taxpayer supported road maintainance? While I do think our highway department does a great job with what it has in manpower of course it could always be better. Want to see your tax bill go up so we can have smooth roads?
September 26, 2012 21:42:47 Observer   Mr. Beard you quote me extensively in your post and I laud you for not quoting out of context. But when you say you do not know what my meaning was in saying \"the politics money can buy\" perhaps you should brush up on your history a mite. i.e. Sen. Simon Cameron of PA. \"I am the best politician money can buy.\" or perhaps Tammny Hall of New York City or the political machine that has ruled Chicago since the days of Al Capone or even some of our recent Governors ;I could continue to name numerous incidents of money buying politics. Do I think money in this area would influence the politics of the natural gas question? HUMMM Do I really have to answer that question in the affirmative? But I do believe you are incorrect when you state that zoning is not necessary to pass a moratorium on drilling in the Town of Masonville. If it is not zoned then what would the moratorium be declared on? My brother-in-law is president of the New York State Coalition of Land Owners and has put many hours, days and weeks and months in fighting to get gas drilling throughout the state so as a result of listening to his ravings I have learned a lot more about the subject than I really care to know.
September 26, 2012 20:35:10 Voter   Like my father once said..."be very careful of someone that takes more than a sentence or two to explain theirself...they are probably lying". The FACT is that a town DOES have to have ZONING to enact a moritorium. The supervisor quoted the chapter and verse and different board meetings. I check it out with a land use attorney and by gosh, he was correct! Personally, I feel insulted that the Masonville 1st group asserts the town's comprehensive plan is extremely flawed. I attended those meetings as well...it was public input from the surveys sent to townspeople that made the plan what it is. The public overwhelmingly opposed any further land use restriction, zoning or moritoriums. As a matter of fact, the board actually attempted a couple of new laws and the public came to the board meetings with pitchforks and torches in hand deanding the board uphold their desires in accordance with what the public established in the comprehensive plan. It wasnt the board that crafted the plan, it was the townspeople!!! Masonville 1st really should investigate the facts prior to putting their collective 'foots' in their mouths!!!!
September 26, 2012 19:22:39 bertimouse   Whats annoying: Folks who dont like "big government help" yet still gripe about the bad roads. Nuff said.
September 26, 2012 19:16:19 bertimouse   Zoning is Not the issue. The Main issue is the Health and Safety for all. The TOM is just not ready yet. -Received a "safety info for Public Officials" bulletin the other day published by the Pipeline Assoc. for Public Awareness...good read. For instance, the TOM needs to have a Community-wide awareness and Emergency Response Plan in place Now to deal with the 3 different types of natural gas pipelines which all behave differently in emergency situations: Gathering, Transmission and/or Distribution pipelines. Large and small landowners need to know the hazards/warnings/dangers/signs, etc. of potential life threatening situations. In late 2013 the pipeline is slated to begin construction phase plans. Wake Up Masonville. Instead of saying "well I heard this or that", An educational convocation should be held in the TOM hall inviting educators from all sides: Pro, Con, Safety officers, community assistance techs; with the ultimate purpose of informing all of us about what we need to be prepared for Now; come what may. Helpful resources according to this flyer: pipelineawarenss.org, phmsa.dot.gov, npms.phmsa.dot.gov, commongroundalliance.com, pipelineemergencies.com, nena.org, fracfocus.org, primis.phmsa.dot.gov, landuseplanning.htm. Hope this helps.
September 26, 2012 19:06:35 Robert Beards   Voter, For over five years, Kathy Klopchin, a Masonville 1st candidate for Town Board, has been attending Town Meetings both educating and urging the Board to consider and plan for the important issues hyperindustrialization brings. The Town Board has remained firm in its position to do nothing. Now that so much time has been wasted, we do need to reserve some time for advance preparation. A one-year moritorium only provides a temporary hold on development, buying us time to get our ducks in a row. A moritorium protects the town by enabling it to take action before the threat of massive lawsuits closes the door on on some of our options. It is on the record that our Town's Comprehensive Plan is deeply flawed and requires revision. Masonville's Comprehensive Town Plan was essentially written by the gas industry and does not reflect the true desires of the residents according to the survey it claims to be based upon. Revising the Town's Comprensive Plan is legal ground for a moritorium. We absolutely do not need zoning to enact a moritorium. I repeat, no zoning required. Please Google "Land_Use_Moratoria.pdf". That is an official New York State guide for municipalities which explains and encourages the use of moritoriums. A moritorium is not a political ploy, it is an effective device to buy time. So useful, in fact, that the State itself has chosen to use one.
September 26, 2012 18:35:41 Robert Beards   "How can the town be proactive in an issue that even the state of New York admits is still at least 4 years and maybe more in the future? There is really no way of knowing what regulations might be placed on gas companies and towns in the next few years." The town can be proactive in a number of ways, we could start by studying case histories of similar towns, perhaps some of those over the Barnett Shale, where large scale horizontal drilling was introduced and developed. Determine exactly how we can help local business opportunities be developed and enhanced in advance, poised to take advantage of opportunity. At the same time we could determine what scenarios we'd like to avoid. We should develop plans to mitigate any forseeable negative consequences the gas industry might bring to town. They'll be here a while when they get here, but they won't be here forever. And they don't give a @#$% about Masonville. You and I do however. Masonville 1st represents residents with legitimate concerns. They know advance planning for the potential quick build-out of gas infrastructure could not possibly hurt our town, while not planning at all is sure to cost us some benefits that only advance planning could provide. Inactivity results in handicap, we'll lose time and options. The case can easily be made that most regulatory agencies in the United States are effectively "captured" or heavily influenced by the very groups who require regulating, so why assume Albany (or the Federal government) should make all the decisions regarding Masonville's future? Masonville has tools in hand to effect it's own future in a positive manner, so why not have the best possible outcome and use those tools? "Would you deny those large land holders who have already started making arrangements to lease their lands for drilling?" No. I would not deny large landowners their right to do as they see fit with their own possessions. I do have some concern for small landowners, landowners who have everything at risk, yet don't have the leverage to fend for themselves. "If, as I understand it, the issue is zoning out all drilling in the Town of Masonville are you not denying people the right to do as they see fit with their property?." Many informed people want to ban gas exploration outright one way or another. These folks have been exposed to examples of some horrible things the gas industry has done in similar situations, and they feel the potential risks don't offset the potential gains. Others strongly disagree. Masonville 1st supporters are residents who feel that the gas industry will probably come to our area and that we should prepare for the changes that come with it. "That is one thing but unfortunately any type of restrictive zoning rapidly becomes an out of control monster. Zoning sets a presedence." Masonville has options beyond zoning, and we have never called for zoning. As residents, you and I can see to it that there is no monster, with zoning or without. That's the beauty of small town life, you have effect in what goes on. "Now I am certain no gas company wants my 2 and half acres but I do fear for my future in the fact I live in a mobile home and experience living in the Town of Sanford proves mobile homes are first on the list of restrictive zoning." Your fears are misplaced. Once the infrastructure is developed, your two acres will be as desireable as any other two acres situated, like yours, over the North-east corner of what is called the "Prime Fairway" of the Marcellus Shale. Controlling the mineral rights to only two acres means you have effectively no bargaining leverage. You'll be like a baby mouse to a cat. If your home is an important investment to you, consider that most of it's value can be lost in a poorly managed industrialization scenario. "Zoning causes the NIMBY syndrome very quickly. Thus far the citizens of the Town of Masonville has done very well with minimal interference from politics and the politics money can buy. I like the Town of Masonville for the very reason one can live here without someone looking over my shoulder to make sure I measure up to what the person or group thinks I should measure up to. I am an old man with poor health and little money, thus my property will never make "Home Beautiful"." The citizens of Masonville have never been subjected to the threat of hyperindustrialization, so they have not had to face the issues we face today. We are not calling for "interference from politics", and in this local campaign I don't even know what "politics money can buy" even means. We are your neighbors, we live here because it's nice, and you and I agree we want to preserve what advantages and freedoms we have. Masonville has chosen to maintain a minimal local government, why bother? Local government is the community's best defense against strong outside challenges to our town's best interests. In the face of the serious challenges the future presents, now is not the time for local government to be inactive. "There are many things that need doing that I can neither do nor afford to have done; but, I do what I can and hope others tend to their own affairs as I tend to mine." If I live a thousand years I'll still never get all I need to do around the house done, whether I could afford it or not! I do think it's worth putting some time into helping the town. That's public service not "minding other people's affairs." "I realize I will never profit in any manner from any decision made concerning drilling in the Town of Masonville." You might think that, but that doesn't mean for sure you won't profit from the right decisions. "But, I am not about to prevent anyone else from profiting as long as it is legal." Almost everything that is now illegal was once legal. I would not assume you really want anyone to be able to do anything legal, I'm sure some things that are legal have potential for great harm.
September 26, 2012 18:11:22 Voter   Well stated Observer. From what I can tell this will be the definative difference in the platforms of the people running for office in November. This is not about political ideology or upstate versus downstate. This election is about values and ideals. It is about whether Masonville stays the traditional town we all love with little government interference or moves in the direction of zoning, land use regulations and other government intrusions. Masonville 1st wants a moritorium...you cannot have a moritorium without first enacting zoning. As you said, many of the Masonville 1st folks probably have sincere intentions with their platform but it is a very slippery slope that can quickly lead to changing the lives we are accustomed to in Masonville forever. For that reason, I think I will stay with what I am used to and vote to keep the current board in place. No zoning, moritoriums or land use regulations in Masonville!
September 26, 2012 14:58:39 Observer   How can the town be proactive in an issue that even the state of New York admits is still at least 4 years and maybe more in the future? There is really no way of knowing what regulations might be placed on gas companies and towns in the next few years. Would you deny those large land holders who have already started making arrangements to lease their lands for drilling? If, as I understand it, the issue is zoning out all drilling in the Town of Masonville are you not denying people the right to do as they see fit with their property?. That is one thing but unfortunately any type of restrictive zoning rapidly becomes an out of control monster. Zoning sets a presedence. While the intention may be for the good of all it will turn into "what "I" want and to H with the rest attitude.Now I am certain no gas company wants my 2 and half acres but I do fear for my future in the fact I live in a mobile home and experience living in the Town of Sanford proves mobile homes are first on the list of restrictive zoning. Zoning causes the NIMBY syndrome very quickly.Thus far the citizens of the Town of Masonville has done very well with minimal interference from politics and the politics money can buy. I like the Town of Masonville for the very reason one can live here without someone looking over my shoulder to make sure I measure up to what the person or group thinks I should measure up to. I am an old man with poor health and little money, thus my property will never make "Home Beautiful". There are many things that need doing that I can neither do nor afford to have done; but, I do what I can and hope others tend to their own affairs as I tend to mine. I realize I will never profit in any manner from any decision made concerning drilling in the Town of Masonville. But, I am not about to prevent anyone else from profiting as long as it is legal.
September 26, 2012 13:00:25 Robert Beards   To be clear, we do not view the election as "upstater" vs "downstater" at all. There are many residents, originally from both up and downstate, who have voiced their support for Masonville 1st. That's not the issue. The issue is actually whether you agree that our Masonville Board should proactively prepare for our future, or whether you feel the Board's policy should be "wait and see." Masonville 1st represents all residents who understand that a "do nothing" policy during this crucial period will curtail our ability to maximize the advantages and minimize the disadvantages that come with the industrialization of Masonville.
September 26, 2012 10:59:30 Observer   What! Not me. All I know is the rantings on this board. LOL
September 26, 2012 10:52:27 What!   Observer can you identify who are a up staters and who are the down staters
September 26, 2012 10:17:18 Observer   I had a couple of candidates from the "Masonville First" party stop by and discuss thier plans for Masonville if elected to the Town Board. I think this is the first time any candidate for any office in Masonville has stopped by to explain his or her platform or ideas. That is the problem with small town politics. Too much is taken for granted and the thought that "Oh well, everyone knows and loves me so why campaign?" That aside, it appears that this years town election is going to be an interesting one. As I gather it is going to be the old "Upstater vs Downstaters".
September 26, 2012 10:08:16 Just interested   If the Supervisor just received the mail then it would stand to reason he could not have read it earlier. Right? Note: USING CAPS GOT YOUR ATTENTION!! LOL.
September 25, 2012 23:38:15 bertimouse   Dear Mike Spaccaforno; Our Current TOM Supervisor: Please DO NOT YELL AT US ALL IN CAPITAL LETTERS WITH YOUR POSTS HERE SIR. The Simple Fact that you are Not Able to Review Your/Our Most Important TOM Related Mail In a Timely Fashion - Is Your Problem which may Ultimately result in Your Being Fired, i.e. Voted Out of Your Office & Responsibility, Sir. Respectfully Submitted.
September 25, 2012 18:39:46 Observer   Ticket fixer while I am sure our judge is a very nice lady (I have never met her)being accomadating is not part of her duties. Justice in this country is and always has been as good as the lawyer one can afford. i.e O.J Simpson etc. A town or village justice is not there to serve the public but rather to do what is montarily best for the jurisdiction they work in. Dismissing tickets is not in the interest of the local coffers. We live in an era where all law enforcement thinks everyone is a scumbag and the courts view you as automatically guilty. Even the summons I was issued views an equipment failure as a crime even though it was corrected within a half hour of issuing the summons. Note that was not a crime with the equipment failure on the car the officer was driving. Will my crime be dismissed? Probably not as I am not going to chase down a law official to "check up" on me. I am getting my vehicle inspected tomorrow and if it passes the inspection it will be good enough for the State of New York then it should be good enough for even the Masonville Court. Am I upset over this heinous crime? Not really. But, I do think our law enforcement and courts have more pressing matters than a burned out tail light bulb.
September 25, 2012 18:21:11 ticket fixer   I believe the ticket has to be dismissed according to law if the violation is fixed prior to the court date. Nonetheless, I am sure our Judge will be accomodating if you have the light fixed.
September 25, 2012 17:34:15 Observer   Ticket Fixer Thank you but I have been informed that the judge in the Masonville Court does not dismiss any tickets so I am pleading not guilty and taking my chances with my day in court LOL.
September 25, 2012 17:28:05 ticket fixer   Dear Observer - I believe if you take your corrected tail light to a police station or garage inspection station before the court date they will give you a certificate indicating the violation was fixed. The ticket will then be dismissed by the judge.
September 25, 2012 11:19:04 Observer   The state and town is getting hungry again!! I had the dubious pleasure of being issued a ticket for the Masonville court for a defective tail light. Oh joy! I get an opportunity to be part of our great court system. One humorous thing did come from it. After the issuance of the ticket and the mandatory lecture on keeping our vehicles safe etc. I reminded the officer that his own vehicle had a defective headlight. He thanked me and went on his way and I on mine.
September 24, 2012 13:37:04 MIKE SPACCAFORNO   TO ALL , PLEASE NOTE I JUST RECEIVED THE MAIL.THERE IS A NOTICE FROM THE FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY COMMISSION.I AM COPYING THE MEETING DATE AND TIME HERE FOR ALL WITH QUESTIONS. I'M DOING THIS BECAUSE I JUST RECEIVED IT.PLEASE PASS THIS INFO ON TO ALL INTERESTED PARTIES.THERE WILL BE REPRESENTATIVES PRESENT ONE HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING FOR QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS. ALL COMMENTS WILL BE RECORDED. 24.SEPT.2012 BEGINNING AT 7:00-10:00 PM AT THE AFTON H.S., 29 ACADEMY ST. , AFTON N.Y. THANK YOU.
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