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August 15, 2008 18:44:31 bertimouse   Hi Dr. C.J. - For what this is worth; I have a story for you about my brother Bob & his wife Heidi. They built their own cabin on 40 acres up in the hills NE of Spokane, WA along an old logging road. They typically get 3-12 feet of snow which makes his road impassable no matter what you drive...except they have a snowmobile & big snow-shoes which they both use to trek the 3 miles required to get to his pickup truck (yes, 4-wheel drive with a plow attachment)is parked at a neighbor's house. 'Course, they're both young, strong, healthy as horses & love their little "off-the-grid" homestead & farm because of this. In these parts we rarely have that much snow anymore but then again judging from my cucumber crop this summer I'm now predicting lots of snow this winter. LOL was trying to cheer you up, sorry for that prediction, it's just a guess. :) -Looks like you're getting no sympathy on getting the rest of that road paved... how far & wide is the distance that you need? I wonder if the town would let someone pave/improve THEIR OWN ROAD (for a tax credit of course)? :)- There's LOTS of local guys that the town board would know/approve of doing this type of work. Maybe if the costs could be accurately estimated & presented to the town board, maybe they could pay for half with the residents; if they gave a credit for the estimated time the road would hold up? What; 5 years depending on the usage? I'm just spinning off some ideas here... NOTHING is impossible if we all think outside the box sometimes, eh Dr.? Have a great weekend.
August 15, 2008 18:03:02 bertimouse   WOW, guess it's getting more & more popular. You can still watch from the fence line but the view isn't as good. As I recall we bought tickets in Walton beforehand, too. Oh well. Looks like a bigger stand may be needed someday?
August 15, 2008 08:33:36 RT8ER   Fridays Demo Derby is sold out.We tried to get tickets yesterday while we were there.
August 14, 2008 21:58:37 RangerDanger   Dr. Capote, you should invest in a good 4x4 plow truck to get up and down the road during the winter.
August 14, 2008 19:20:24 bertimouse   Hey Tony, The Demolition Derby on Friday night is a MUST SEE! (Bring your earplugs :) ) - To get the best seats; we think right above the announcer - you have to get there by about 4 pm to get on line by 5pm; no later. We love everything about this fair; the animals, the horse shows, the DEC exhibits, the food, the music, the rides; everything! Parking is best inside but you have to have some patience driving home; it will take about 1/2 hour to get out but you don't have to walk so far then. HAVE A GREAT TIME AT THE BEST COUNTY FAIR IN CENTRAL NY!!!
August 13, 2008 12:31:25 Tony CR-20   First time going to the Delaware Fair in about 20 years. Is there anything I should see, checkout or have to try? Can't wait!!! Thanks
August 12, 2008 12:04:47 Tony CR-20   To sum it up...Must have 4 X 4 vehicle!
August 12, 2008 10:22:35 Chester   While it certainly is nice that we have a new neighbor moving onto Shear Rd and he certainly selected a beautiful spot to build a cabin, perhaps he should have considered the pros and cons of selecting that area. -- He should have understood that the area is limited use and is not maintained the year around. It should have been clear to him that he was buying into a very undeveloped area and probably would not ever be very heavily developed. It is too bad that the land owner will be responsible for getting into and out of his site but he cannot expect to move into an area like that and have the taxpayers take the responsibility of making sure he has a smooth and plowed road to travel on. True, most of the roads leading into the state forest areas are not maintained in the winter and become almost impassable in winter and spring. But, the cost of maintaining them year around would be prohibitive.
August 11, 2008 21:41:03 DR. C J Capote MD ccapotejr@yahoo.com I Have land located in shear rd. in Masonville,. Shear road is paved to a half way point, Shear rd shall be paved all the way up to where StateLands starts. My property is located right before the state land starts its hard to travek on and in winter months I cant even go up the hill because the DOT doesnt plow up there. I am building a cabin and would like to stay here on the winter months. is there anyways we can pave shear rd up futher, also plow in the winter months up to the State lands ??
August 08, 2008 13:03:57 Tony CR -20   Thank you Chester...the Iron Horse was always of interest to me but I never had the time to pursue it with as much passion as yourself. However...with retirement looming, this can always be something to strive for! Thanks again it's all very interesting stuff - Tony
August 08, 2008 10:37:45 Chester   Tony CR-20 - EMail sent. - Yes I can imagine that it was quite a sight to see. The engines of those days would have been wood burners and the passenger cars would have been constructed of wood. Being Feb there probably was a wood stove burning in the car for heat as well. - Train wrecks on the early railroads were accepted as a normal part of the operation. In fact, the New York and Erie Railroad accepted a death a day among its workers as acceptable. They paid the surviving family $2.00 for the days work the worker would have done. Most of the deaths occured in the marshaling yards where workers were crushed to death coupling cars to make up a train. - I have a contract made between the New York and Erie and a resident of Deposit in which the resident agreed to supply 500 cords of 4 foot wood split and stacked at Gulf Summit for the fantastic sum of 50 cents per cord. These were full cords not the face cords sold today to unsuspecting consumers. While railroads built this country the owners of the lines were not known as philanthrophists by any stretch of the imagination.
August 07, 2008 22:45:15 Tony CR-20 anapolitano@dot.nyc.gov Very interesting article Chester. That must have been some accident / impact when that train barreled into the other at the station. Thanks for sharing the historic event. I would like to visit the grave site described in the article. Do you have its exact location? If so, I would appreciate an email with its whereabouts. Thanks - Tony
August 07, 2008 19:54:18 Chester   There appeared in todays Binghamton Press an article concerning the death of Sa-Sa-Na Loft in a train accident on the New York and Erie Railroad in Deposit on Feb 18, 1852. I have had in my possession for over 50 years a letter written from Deposit on that date describing in detail the accident. As far as I know this is the only eyewitness account of the tragedy. Over the years I have become very interested in the Loft family and have done a lot of research into their lives. If interested the article can be found at pressconnects.com. It is an interesting though limited article about this young Native American buried at Owego, NY
August 07, 2008 09:56:23 Chester   I attended the Masonville Town Board Meeting last evening (Aug 6). While I was unable to hear or understand a lot of what went on due to a hearing impairment I did note that the cost of doing business in the Town next year is going to be a major issue in preparing a new budget. The time has arrived for all of us to tighten our belts and work to save as much as we can in running the Town. There are things that you and I can do to help maintain costs in Town. The first thing that occurs to me is this: If you change your own oil in your vehicles; donate the used oil to the re-burner furnace at the Town garage. While it may not amount to a lot, every bit helps. Look at things that we expect the Town to do. If it is something that we can do ourselves, lets do it ourselves. i.e. The Town crew mows the cemeteries here (Rte 20 and in the Hamlet) a couple times a summer. Why not a group get together and mow and clean up the cemeteries? Let the Town crew do something else that needs doing. The Town will maintain the new signs coming into the Hamlet. Why not a group get together and keep those signs in repair and cleaned up around them. (Maybe flower boxes? Decorations at holidays? etc.) These things I mention. And many that I have not. Might not amount to much as any one item but put them all together and it will save, at least some money from our taxes and allow the Town to concentrate on things that need doing that we ourselves cannot do. Just a thought.
August 06, 2008 23:18:20 Tony CR-20   Actually RD, I threw the ip address comment out there to make people think before they posted on the board but that is totally out the window now that we hacked it up a bit. Lol...but it's all good. Anyway...I'm pretty new to the board, enjoy all the topics of discussion and can't wait to meet a few more people from the board. Basically I'm a "downstater", as I was labeled in previous posts, for now looking to retire in a few years and making the permanent move up there. Talk to you soon - Tony
August 06, 2008 11:49:41 RangerDanger   That would be a good idea, although all it would do is bring out more tension on the message board. I myself am "anonymous" and according to some of you I should include my name. I choose not to, because it is a matter of choice. I do use the same alias though, so all of my posts can be seen as by the same person.
August 05, 2008 22:31:30 Tony CR-20   Exactly RD...kind of banking on the fact that someone posted something along the threads with their exact name and address and then decided to hide behind an alias! It's all good though...we shouldn't take this stuff so serious anyway and the message board should be utilized as an information tool for the people that are interested in the ongoing development of the town. As I stated before, I enjoy reading the posts of the people of this town and look forward to enjoying more "discussions". All the best - Tony
August 05, 2008 18:28:23 RangerDanger   Tony, they could possibly identify posts through IP but all they could find out with that is if an IP matches another, not who it is exactly.
August 03, 2008 20:04:41 Tony CR-20   George...I believe Grumpy can identify people through the ip address the person leaves behind when posting/visiting this site. Just my two cents. Anyway...beautiful weekend up there. Except for a little rain Saturday morning it was great. Got a lot accomplished. Now back to the grind!
August 03, 2008 08:41:59 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net It is my understanding that the Church runs a food pantry. Perhaps Pastor Rob can confirm this for us. I will look into it. As to the farmers market, it has always been held up due to insurance issues. Lawyers always seem to be able to ruin a good thing.
August 02, 2008 21:50:08 bertimouse   Chester; does that mean if I were the preacher or the listener at church? :) Have a great weekend! :)
August 02, 2008 21:44:42 Chester   Bertimouse - I heard a webmaster explain about this auto censoring software. "If you would not use the word in church, don't use it here." LOL
August 02, 2008 21:27:09 bertimouse   P.S. - On July 31st while I was discussing Chester's concerns, my "CENSORED" word was "p.i.s.s.e.d." Sorry about that Grumpy - Maybe you can recommend some language rules, eh? Please let me know what is & not acceptable here. Thanks.
August 02, 2008 21:15:09 bertimouse   So, getting back to Lefty's great idea; Mr. Denys, DOES Masonville have any kind of food pantry? If not, what would we have to do to start something like a farmer's market? I know that allot of folks have been talking about the need for that - why can't we start something up at the Town Shed parking lot on weekends, or after the Town Shed working hours Monday - Friday for a few hours, eh?
August 02, 2008 11:42:35 Chester   Councilman Denys - I am told that the word c.r.a.p. is actually a short version of John Crappers name. John *CENSORED* supposedly invented the toilet. Whether this is true or not I really do not know but it makes a good story. - Along those same lines my favorite author is a fellow named John Jakes (writer of historical novels) and he uses the term "Jakes" for a toilet in one of his novels. He said he is the only guy in the US named twice for a toilet. ("John and Jakes")
August 02, 2008 08:38:17 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net That's not a dirty word!!!! c. r. a. p.
August 02, 2008 08:36:07 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net People who write on this board without identifying themselves are really doing this Town a disservice. Grumpy, I urge you to change your policy. Healthy discussion is good but this kind of *CENSORED* should go.
August 01, 2008 21:16:30 Chester   Who ever you might be or whereever down here is don't be afraid. Why not come up here to kick my *CENSORED*? People who hide behind a screen with a made up name are really not worth the bother. But, if you like I will give you a lesson in how to be really sarcastic? Let me know. LOL
August 01, 2008 18:39:45 Good ol' Country Boy   Chester, In your opinion, what should the town do? You have made it *CENSORED* clear how you feel about all this. Lets have some of your almighty wisdom. We, the huddled masses await your proclimation. All rise, the almighty Chester is about to impart his holy wisdom. Down here we would just kick your *CENSORED*.
August 01, 2008 10:02:49 Chester   On considering all aspects of the gas drilling situation I am overjoyed that once again big business is going to come to the rescue of the little guy. History is witness to how big business has always been considerate of the little guy. The railroad and coal mine owners in history past witnesses to the benevolance of big business. -- More recently the big oil companies have really jumped right in and shared their meager profits with everyone. -- Of course like all worthwhile ventures there will have to be some sacrifice on the part of the little guy so the rich can get richer. Never mind that the infrastructre of the area will be ripped to shreds. The middle class will pay for that in raised taxes. Never mind that our already fragile aquifier will be *CENSORED* and destroyed, we can drink beer. Never mind that our ecology will be set back to the 1880's mind set. Trees just block the view anyways and all these animals are dangerous. Never mind that the water they pump back out of these wells will contain Lord knows what. We can just let it back into the water supply; that is as long as it is not the NYC water supply. Never mind that the burning off of waste from these wells will pollute the air for miles. And WOW, what a tourist attraction a bunch of rusting gas compressors and storage tanks will be for the area! People will flock in from all over the world to witness them. Oh yes, we must not forget the excitement of a nice gas explosion now and then. Ask the people in North Bleinem about the wonderful effects of that. Of course we can be entertained by the digging up of your property to lay pipe lines across it to get this new found bonanza to the main pipeline so NYC can have more gas. Now me, I can hardly wait for this to start. The few large land owners in this area really deserve the break.
July 31, 2008 23:03:21 bertimouse   Ok, it's WAY past my bedtime, but please let me say 2 things here: 1) The Master Plan Committee invites all outside comments including those from organized groups. There are groups out there organized AGAINST the gas lines; all you have to do is go on-line, find them & if you don't know them already just call them & invite them to speak at the next Master Plan mtg..not too hard a thing to do there. A courtesy is to give any meeting council a "heads up" to let them know a speaker is coming. That way, they can plan their agenda better. It also shows some respect for their planning schedule & ultimately saves time & energy overall. No Managers ANYWHERE in any business like to be "blind-sighted"; it's just not good business practice anywhere dudes. This is why Chester is so *CENSORED* because the Town at our meetings seem to make allot more decisions "closed doors" these days. That issue needs to be discussed more at the Town meetings. Nuff said there. 2)This comment is for Lefty: If we've got a food pantry in Masonville, please let me know where it is. You have struck on a GREAT IDEA! I know several people with over-flowing gardens right now who would JUST LOVE to donate food but don't have the gas to drive more than 10 miles. -Since you've raised this idea why don't you coordinate the Masonville FOOD PANTRY THIS YEAR, EH? Please don't just talk. DO, TOO, you know? And that's all I have to say about this & that.
July 31, 2008 21:30:31 Chester   Lefty- To what and to whom are you referring?
July 31, 2008 20:20:27 Lefty   Ya gots tooooooooooooooooooooooooo much time on yer hands. Do somthin' positive with it will ya!!! How bout' raising food for the food pantry. Feed all them poor people yer talkin' bout.
July 31, 2008 09:42:15 Chester   Bertimouse was musing about a dream. While I know nothing about the psychology of dreams I too have been musing. I guess you could say I have been musing about the "Starilization of Society". After moving some 8 times in my early childhood we finally settled in a little rural area named North Sanford just over the hill from Masonville. We moved into a house we paid $3000.00 for. That tells you how long ago it was. There I spend most of my childhood and all my teen years. In those days everyone knew everyone. In fact I think I could still name 95% of the families who lived from SR 41 in the South to E Afton Road in the North and many on the side roads. Then began the "Starilization of Society". It began with TV and shopping malls. The necessity of two income families further seperated communities and neighborhoods. People no longer congregated nor did they know the people they did business with. Got so no one knew anyone. My father and his wife lived here in Masonville for around 20 years until he died in 1990. I doubt I could find 10 people in Masonville that knew him. My younger brother now lives in the house my father lived in. My brother probably is known by more people than my dad as my brother ran a business. I have lived in Masonville going on 7 years and while I might recognize less than 8 or 10 people by sight in town I have never met even one person of Masonville in that 7 years. We see people every day but we do not know them. Actually it is a sad comment on the erosion of society in this country. Other than a brother who lives next to me I have no idea who any of my neighbors are. The closest neighbor in back of me I have never even seen. If I started at Beech Hill Road and went to the Eastern Border of the Hamlet of Masonville I could not tell you even one person who lives in any house along the way. In fact in all the traveling up and down SR 206 it is rare to see anyone outside their houses. Sad but it is called progress I guess.
July 30, 2008 22:04:18 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net Hello Mr.Chester, What happened tonight was indeed unfortunate. The person you refer to is actually Mr. Tom Shepstone (www.shepstone.net) and is certianly not a "gas company guy". He is our Master Plan consultant.Before you arrived some folks attending had thought this was a gas drilling presentation when, in fact, it was a Town Master Plan meeting. Tom simply said, "Well, I have a presentation on that if you want to do it" So we devoted some time to it as that is what the folks wanted. Tom is simply stating his opinions, opinions that I have high regard for. If you disagree then fine but you really blew up at a person that was doing us a favor by giving an unplaned(but helpful) presentation. We continued with the master plan meeting shortly after you left. I am sorry you didn't stay for it. As I indicated, you have valid points and opinions. I wish I could have explained this to you as you arrived late but, lets face it, I couldn't get a word in with you shouting at him. I do not understand why you felt the need to do that. I apologized to Mr. Shepstone on behalf of the Town.
July 30, 2008 20:30:00 Chester   Why would the town planning board bring a gas company shill into a Master Plan meeting? I never remember being as angry as I became at that meeting tonight. I sat and listened for close to an hour to some guy telling how the rich can become richer. How "his" group reaped all this profit from gas. What has this to do with a master plan for Masonville? All that was discussed was how the already affluent in the area can reap more money. The biggest majority of Masonville Township is struggling to make ends meet and certainly do not fit the description I heard tonight from this guy. I expressed my concern for the fact that this entire fiasco will do nothing except further divide an already devided area and as a result I was laughed at by the planning board. I mean literally laughed at. I do not care how much richer the already rich will be. They will figure out a way to get more anyway. I want to know how this area as a whole will benefit by the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer. Tonight is the last time I ever attend a planning board meeting and the last time I ever attempt any input about anything in this town. While I will still defend those who need defending ( and that would not be Mr. Gas Company Shill and his "rich" group). I fear Masonville in their greed is going to be rudely awakened to the truth when this is all said and done. It has become very obvious that the so called Master Planning Board does not want input from anyone but rather strict adherance to whatever it might decide. So be it. Does not mean that any reasoning person has to abide by it.
July 30, 2008 18:10:55 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net Mr. Chester, I agree with your post on gas drilling. 100%. How this evolves remains to be seen but I have some inside information from the other side of the fence that will come in handy in the months to come. As with you, I have more to say but will reserve it for the proper time. Someday we will stop fighting over oil and burying our garbage. Until then we shall be ever vigelant.
July 30, 2008 13:04:44 Grumpy Cdr_Keidel@hotmail.com Chester, I believe the June Master Plan meeting was on the 25th.
July 30, 2008 12:41:35 Chester   RE: Natural Gas exploration. It was mentioned that the State has leased thousands of acres of State Land for natural gas exploration. Any revenues derived from this leasing will, naturally, go into the State coffers. In what way the revenues will eventually, if ever be shared with the residents of Upstate remains to be seen. If the State is going to benefit from exploration then, of course, the State should stand libal for damage and wear and tear to the infrastructre of the area. -- By the same token this business of mass leasing of private property in the area for exploration should stand the same test. Those who will benefit the most from it should share the most in the cost of maintaining the roads and bridges etc that might suffer as a result of this increased usage. -- This hoped for windfall of natural gas will further erode the middleclass of an area that is aready much polarized. There will become a further separation of the "haves" and the "have nots". I am sure the upper end of the spectrum will really have no interest in paying "their share" and the lower end of the spectrum is already strapped beyound the point where they can take on anymore responsibility. So who, ultimately will have the burden placed on thier shoulders? The middle class of course. Taxpayers who live in the hamlets or outlying areas and have modest to medium incomes and no land to interest the speculators will be the ones who end up paying for the dubious venture. -- What is in it for the municipalities of the area? Probably quite a lot in the form of increased tax revenue etc. But, there is the danger, that in the enthusiasm of getting that revenue the localities will legislate themselves right out of the running. It will have to be approached very carefully and wisely. -- I have more to say on the subject but will reserve for a future date.
July 30, 2008 11:28:49 Chester   Any one remember what the date of the June 2008 "Master Plan" meeting was? Thanks
July 29, 2008 22:52:03 bertimouse   Hi. Chester really got me thinking on who I really am & what I stand up for. I had a strange dream last night about rescuing a big old german shephard dog from a city junkyard near a parking garage; I saw his front paws tied behind his back cruelly with plastic wrap & he was near death. What do you think THAT means, eh? :) In this dream, I made "the people" cut the plastic wrap off the dog while I was cradling his head. It was such a great thing to look into the eyes of this greatful old german shephard dog as he was released of his suffering. The dog jumped up onto me even though his paws were shot. As I thought about WHO CAN NOW TAKE CARE OF THIS DOG BECAUSE I CAN'T, my alarm clock woke me up. DOES ANYONE ELSE HERE DREAM LIKE I DO? I'm an Aquarius.
July 29, 2008 11:23:00 Tony CR-20   Commander...you are one crazy guy! Like I said, never had a photo of them closed...Thanks!
July 29, 2008 09:40:56 Grumpy Cdr_Keidel@hotmail.com You can see Tony's gates in the "Masonville Slide Show" on the [Around Town] page.
July 28, 2008 20:34:50 bertimouse   Heh Heh, Chester. Anyone can join, anyone can leave, anytime, anywhere. Our free choice, anytime still. :)
July 28, 2008 20:22:30 Chester   No offense taken. And until you mentioned it; no, I did not see a "smiley". But then again I am old and blind anyways. It would take a lot more than a note in a forum to hurt my feelings. By the way, you say you are no longer a Democrat? I thought joining the Democrat party was like joining the French Foreign Legion? Once in you can not get out? <GRIN>.
July 28, 2008 18:07:29 bertimouse   Hey Chester, My apologies if I offended you; didn't you see the "smiley" face after my last comment? Not really meant like it sounded...please DON'T EVER CHANGE, we all love you just the way you are & allot of people care as much as you do about our local life, liberty & pursuit of happiness. btw, I'm no longer a Democrat. Have a great summer & again I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings; didn't mean to. :(
July 27, 2008 21:04:29 Tony CR-20   Hey Grumpy...how ya been? As meeting you, I'm sure meeting George will be a pleasure too. Chester...It's actually the 4th on the right (red brick and black iron gates) there are a couple tucked in the woods before me. Funny you mention the cemetery, last week I actually stopped and took a look at the graves from the road. Looks like a lot of Indian names in there. Very interesting. BTW...if the gates are open, stop by and say hello! As for your "rantings", god bless people like yourself. It keeps everyone on their toes! Lol
July 27, 2008 18:54:55 Chester   Tony CR-20 I like the cemetery on CR-20. I do a lot of research in many of the cemeteries around the area. Scoping out a place to bury me when they decide to hang me. LOL LOL Actually all the cemeteries right around me are old and very intesting.
July 27, 2008 18:30:40 Chester   Tony CR-20 - Thank you for reading my rantings. I will admit I do get a tad carried away when I am passionate with an issue. But, unfortunately, there is really no point in beating a dead horse. You will find the one thing different in upstate rural NY than it is downstate when it comes to politics. When the powers-that-be (whoever they may be) have made up their minds to change (or not to change) something, nothing will prevent it. Not even the ravings of a crazy man like me. LOL Unfortunately there are not enough people who care one way or the other what anyone does as long as it is not in their backyards. PS I think I know where you live. The second house after the cemetery on CR-20 ?
July 27, 2008 17:57:46 Grumpy cdr_keidel@hotmail.com Tony, you will enjoy meeting George! He and I have been friends for some time and share many interests, including pistol marksmanship. A pilot, he's responsible for me getting that nice aerial shot of Masonville on the [Around Town] page.
July 27, 2008 16:15:51 Tony CR-20   Thank you George...it will be very nice to meet you. Looking forward to it.
July 27, 2008 16:07:07 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net Hello Tony, Your place is looking good from the road, I'll have to get by and say hi one of these days. George
July 27, 2008 13:52:09 Tony CR-20   Hey Chester, please don't apologize for the discussions that have been taken place on this forum. As you stated, its an open forum and to tell you the truth I look forward every day to check in and read the posts between yourself, Mr. Denys and Mr. DuMond. It keeps us "downstaters" informed and to tell you the truth, its all very interesting discussion. All the best - Tony
July 27, 2008 06:01:55 Kathy K klpchn@yahoo.com Thank you, Mr. Denys, for letting us know about the Master Plan meeting July 30th, 7 p.m. at the Church. I will be there. Thanks to everyone for your responses!
July 25, 2008 23:20:13 Chester   PS Councilman Denys (There I spelled your name right this time. Sorry as I am all thumbs.) I also agree with you on another point. Your point about this forum being a little lighter in content. Perhaps it is time to take my concerns out of this forum and into a more public forum. I have definately tied up this forum waaaaay more than I should have. I apologize to all.
July 25, 2008 23:08:30 Chester   Councilman Dnys- Your comment about "positive" input from the observers interests me. For instance what? And was the person doing the inputting actually an observer or someone that already agreed with everything that was being discussed? Opposition to what has already been decided in that sort of setting is rarely allowed or acted on. So, I find it an interesting statement.
July 25, 2008 22:59:10 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net I have always said, at every Master Plan meeting, that anyone attending may contribute or "Chime in" at any time as long as it is kept civil. They do and some positive things have come out of it. No, I am not perfect, only God is perfect. I am only Gods student. Sometimes I get an A and sometimes I get a D. maybe even an F from time to time. Thats life. I wish this message board could have more positive matter in it. Masonville has so much good too!! It is in our nature, I guess, to focus on the bad instead of the good. I am guilty of it from time to time. Thats a shame. George
July 25, 2008 22:23:27 Chester   Bertimouse - Shutting up is not in my make-up when I see a wrong taking place. It is not your place to tell me to shut up even if I were wrong. As long as the owner of this site allows free discussion then it is open to all who would take part. I am quite aware of the land owners decision to lease or not to lease but many muncipalities are legislating to the point that the gas exploration will not take place due to restrictive regulations.- I am glad you are blessed by the town board. For the most part I would say they do a fine job but, they too can be wrong. (Believe it or not). I have not seen them part the sea nor walk on water yet. As soon as that happens I will consider them perfect as well. - What would be the point of attending any sort of "Master Plan" meeting to "observe"? The minutes of said meeting, by law, are available to read. NYS Open Meeting Law indicates they, the minutes, must be available to the public, appoved or not, within 2 weeks of the meeting. Plus, if I have liabled or slandered the Town Board in any fashion they are welcome to bring a law suit against me at their pleasure. Although I will say they would look rather foolish doing so, as I do have a right to disagree with decisions they make. I re-iterate; The Town Board meetings I have attended I have never seen any opposition to anything the Supervisor said. This indicates either a rubber stamp board or everything is pre-arranged. Neither of these is an option. You continually bring up the fact you are a Democrat. Wonderful. I am not a Democrat. And I fail to see what that has to do with anything to begin with.
July 25, 2008 21:03:13 bertimouse   Dear Chester, I've got a few things I'd like to chat with you about: 1) What about the new "re-burner" thingy we voted on last year to save energy at the Town HWY dept. that runs off of recycled fuel? 2) YOU KNOW that EVERYONE will be paying DOUBLE this winter for fuel so get used to it! 3) I have personally witnessed (several times) members of the Masonville Town board disagreeing with our Town Supervisor & suspending final votes for further review & study. Your accusations of the board (as I have witnessed) are unfounded, inflammatory & paranoid. 4)The idea of a public bulletin board was brought up by the Masonville Democrats; a public "kiosk" like they have outside in many Universities is what they were thinking of. Alas, Masonville has no central-neutral space like a central park for that - yet! Until we have something like that it will always be a Dream. 5) BRAVO for the Master Plan, I say! The more residents like you that are involved in the decision making, the less people to complain once the plan goes into effect, eh? Remember July 30th @ 7 p.m. for the next mtg. 6)Gas drilling is by permission of the owner of the property first, unless there is a regulation by the Town, which the board is for. Again; part of the Master Plan meeting discussions... 7)This is why we so desperately need a Master Plan for the Town of Masonville. We need townfolk like you & I & the Town Board & the Hwy. Dept. to tell the rest of this State of NY to leave us alone because we can take care of our own, eh? 8)I know you are a Veteran Chester, but I'll take you on anywhere, anyhow in a debate about Masonville. I Love this town just as much as you do so shut up! :)
July 25, 2008 20:24:56 bertimouse   Thank you Craig for your comments about the current *CENSORED* Mae/Freddie Mac bailout vote. We agree with you but unfortunately it seems this bill is going to be passed fast for the rich folk no matter what we have to say. Thanks for commenting also about the tax situation in Masonville. I get the "jist" of it; (& correct me if I'm wrong) but basically we should all hold onto our land, not sell out to anyone & maintain our properties to hold down the town taxes, eh? Sweet! :)
July 25, 2008 19:26:24 Chester   Ms Kathy K - Much of what you say makes sense and certainly be of concern to the residents of the town. My major fear is that muncipalities in their greed to get more and more from gas exploration will legislate themselves right out of what could be a gold mine. These exploration companies are in the business for profit and if they do not see any profit there they are not going to pursue anything. I have a BIL in Broome County heading up a group who are holding out for 8K per acre for lease rights. This is plain greedy. I fear many towns in the area are going to do the same thing and lose it all.
July 25, 2008 18:43:41 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net Kathy K. Your concerns are being talked about at the Master Plan meetings. Some of what you are concerned about could very well end up in the final draft that will be presented to the board for action. You are correct, in my opinion, that we should not have to pay for road reconstruction from heavy items being hauled into town. I urge everyone interested to attend the next Master Plan meeting July 30th, 7 p.m. at the Church. (Chester, I really mean what I say, I'll pick you up if you need a lift. I think you would add a bit of fire to the process...and thats a good thing.)
July 25, 2008 18:20:02 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net P.S. Mr Chester, You are correct. You didn't say anything about the signs placement. I was trying to explain to everyone why they are where they are. I should have started a new topic. My apologies for mixing that up in the response to you. George
July 25, 2008 18:11:50 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net Hello again, Mr. Chester, I am not trying to "Rip" you or put anyone in their place. How did you get that from what I said?? I am simply standing up for myself by saying I am no rubber stamp. For heavens sake I am not speaking in anger. I like the back and forth debates on this forum. I think they are healthy.(Makes me try to spell better, no spell check here!!!) I would be glad to talk to you about any concerns you have face to face. Good grief, we are all trying to make this a better place. Take away you constitutuional rights?? Not me....I am a Libertarian at heart. One who belives in freedom of action and thought....and I will fight to the last to protect it. Sound like you might as well. Best wishes, George
July 25, 2008 17:01:24 Chester   Suggestion to one of the volunteer groups around town. How about a public bulletin board someplace in town - i.e. near the library, town hall, etc.
July 25, 2008 09:49:28 Chester   Councilman Denys - Well, guess you exercised your authoriy and put me in my place! No, I do not know you at all anymore than you know ME at all. I still contend that I have never heard anyone on the Town Board speak in oposition to anything the Town Supervisor has said. This tells me that either the Town Board is a rubber stamp or everything is decided before it is brought to the attention of the public. Either way is wrong. The fact the Town Board wants "more control" of the Highway Department does not make taking away the voters control of the Highway Department right. As to the new signs. I said NOTHING about the placement of them except to say they were put there to mark the Hamlet and not the town. I have NO problem with that. It would be ridiculous to try to mark every entrance to the Town with a sign. By the way, I have a constitutional right, so far, to speak against something I believe is wrong. You, may desire to take that right away from me in your own interests but right at this moment I still have that right. If you do not like me speaking up; work to get that right removed from the U.S Constitution. The only thing I have heard about the desire of the Town Board to start appointing a Highway Superintendent is because the Town Board wants to have "More Control" and that is exactly my point. Too much control in the hands of too few is a bad, bad situation. I for one do not want the control of the town placed in the hands of 4 people who really have no interest in anything except the furtherance of their own interests. You may rip into me all you want in this forum but I really doubt you are willing to debate this issue face to face with me or anyone else.
July 24, 2008 22:44:16 George Denys gdenys@citlink.net Mr Shew, I am not a "Rubber stamp" for anyone. That you would think such a thing means you do not know me at all. Elected position = filling another highway position. Appointed position = working supervisor. This is one way we are trying to save money. I had my reservations about this but after all was said it was the money that made me vote the way I did. No rubber stamp. If the public disagrees then we will probably have to hire another person at some time. It won't be the end of the world but it will cost more money. I made a commitment to represent the fixed income families of this town back when I ran for this office and nothing has changed to sway me from that. If folks want to keep it an elected position at a higher cost then so be it. It is really hard to keep taxes down to the 3-4% increase level each year. I wish more folks would show up at budget time to see this for themselves. As for the signs....*CENSORED* if you do *CENSORED* if you don't. The placement was also meant to help people realize they are entering a populated area and to slow down as well as to create more civic pride. OK, back to the master plan. George
July 24, 2008 10:29:36 Chester   The Town of Masonville Supervisor points out, in his reply to Bertimouse, that the town will have to budget double for fuel this coming year. I will be amazed if doubling the budget will be sufficient unless there is a huge drop in fuel prices. Even if there is a drop in fuel prices at the wholesale level you can be sure the retailer will not be in any hurry to pass it on to the consumer. My own budget for heating fuel has risen over $100 per month this coming year. I fail to understand how any person on a fixed income will continue to be able to eat and heat this coming winter. So Imagine what it will be like for the highway department if we get a very snowy, slippery winter. Our highway department is one of the most efficient departments in the county and I am sure that they will want to maintain that high level of profeciency and that is going to cost the taxpayer. I would imagine that, this winter, we are going to see some of the "extras" curtailed in the interest of making sure the necessary is ccomplished.
July 24, 2008 10:25:11 Craig DuMond   P.S. about assessments, I forgot the most important piece! Properties are reassessed based on increase in property sales values over the past year automatically. It makes no difference on whether the town is assessed at 100% or not, if it is not they just recalculate the equalization formula after the reassessment. We are held burden to property sales each year...the market is softening and Masonville was one of the Towns with the lowest reassessment rate this year, so depending on how you look at it that may be good news to some. Since the reassessment will happen regardless, for the reasons outlined in my prior post it is truly in the Town's best interest to maintain 100% eualization.
July 24, 2008 09:48:10 Kathy K klpchn@yahoo.com Question about taxes: since a lot of land in Masonville is owned by NYS, when they lease the land for natural gas drilling, will my taxes go down or up? A 2005 audit found that the DEC (Department)"had 71 such leases covering 64,502 acres of State land. The leases are generally awarded through a public, competitive bid process. During the six years ended December 31, 2005, the Department received about $9.8 million in revenue from these leases." The money from those leases was used as follows:"If the revenues generated by leases are from leases on Wildlife Management Areas, the revenues are deposited in the Conservation Fund to be used for certain programs. Lease monies generated from reforestation areas and multiple use areas are deposited directly into the general fund, based on the classification of the land. If the leased land belongs to another State agency, the lease revenue is to be transferred to that agency." If Masonville doesn’t get a percent of the profit from lease of these lands, are taxpayers going to get stuck paying for town roads that will need repair due to VERY HEAVY EQUIPMENT traveling them? Will the natural gas lease terms prohibit the state from putting logging jobs out to bid for the entire life of the lease? This question may have to be answered by the DEC, but I see no harm in our community thinking about this before the damage is done. Quoted text from report “LEASE OF STATE LAND FOR GAS AND OIL EXPLORATION AND PRODUCTION”
July 23, 2008 23:45:02 Craig DuMond   Firstly, I am not concerned about whether someone voted for me or not...I am happy to assist in anyway I can regardless of voting, political party, etc. You may not like the answers I give you but you can always count on a straight answer from me! With the little space I have here I will try and address bertimouse's concerns: 1st the Fanne Mae / Freddy Mac bail out is a huge mistake. Why should we all pay for these failed mortgages? If the person was able to sign the contract he should have been responsible enough to read it and comply with it! If not so, the rest of us shouldnt have to pay for someone else's failures! The blighted properties in Masonville that the board is addressing mainly have to be dealt with due to various code and/or health violations posing a threat to public safety / health. The Town works with all individuals for a lengthy period to resolve problems prior to taking any official action. Official action on the part of the Board is always a result of a persons indifference toward correcting significant problems that pose issues for their neighbors, state laws and the public in general. The Board does not take this lightly as we all believe government intrusion should always be kept to the most minimum level possible. As far as the revaluation, I really do not have the room here to properly address this but I will try my best at the condensed version; It is truly in everyones best interest to maintain 100% valuation or market rate of properties. 1st it keeps the process transparent so that property owners can compare their properties to others similiar to determine if thier assessment is fair. To apply equalization formulas you need a lawyer to explain to you whether you are being properly assessed or not. 2nd, property owners exemptions are reduced on a sliding scale for each percentage point a property is assessed below 100%. Each time you town slides below 100% your STAR, Enhanced STAR, Agricultural and other appicable exemptions are reduced and you do not get the full exemption. 3rd, the town receives $5.00 per parcel for every parcel valued at 100% as an incentive to maintain 100%. This equates to about $6000 per year for Masonville and these funds are ALWAYS applied directly to the general budget to off set everyones taxes. Revaluations are calculated by the County and State based on the prior years property sales within the Town. If the overall value of sales goes up, so do assessments. If the overall value of the Town goes up then the tax rate per thousand actually decreases. Just because your assesment increases does not necessarily mean your taxes will increase by the same amount. For example, my assessment has increased significantly over the past 2 years but when calculating the tax increase I find only a modest increase in accordance with our operating budget, which is usually around 3-4 percent. I am, however, concerned with next years budget with the increase in fuel costs...the Town goes through a lot of diesel and we will need to budget double next year compared to this year. We have been diligent at keeping tight spending controls and we will reduce this impact to the taxpayer as best we can. Bottom line, we are all taxpayers, Board members included, and none of us want to spend a dollar more on taxes than we have to. We (the Board) always strives to do what is best for everyone as we do care deeply for this community. The Board has passed and forwarded to Albany many resolutions pertaining to property tax reform and property tax caps. Personally, I have 4 boys that I would like to have raise their own families in Masonville, just as my father and my grandfather did. Please call me personally or the County or State Office of Real Property Tax services for further information and/or clarification. I am happy to listen and address any issues the best way I can.
July 23, 2008 20:52:19 Chester   Bertimouse- Let him know you did not vote for him ( I do not or care whether you did or not) and see how deeply he or any other politician cares for you. <GRIN>
July 23, 2008 20:30:26 bertimouse   I'd like to ask our Town Supervisor these questions here in this forum, but since it's public I guess yall who can/will/may chime in, which is cool, don't you think? I love this Town I really do. Anyway Craig, what do you think about the new *CENSORED* Mae/Freddi Mac bill out right now? I've heard 1) That it will cost lots of taxpayer $$. 2)That if we don't support it, it could collapse the US & possibly the worldwide "market" investors in this area; sounds like scary stuff but you know they're always trying to scare us/congress/senate to vote one way or another, eh? 3)It would help the FHA with rescue $$ (i.e. to local towns)to rescue foreclosed properties over $200K to fix 'em up & re-sell 'em - CRAIG; DO WE REALLY HAVE THIS PROBLEM HERE WITH FORECLOSED >200k HOMES? 4)What is the current status of the (4?)currently blighted properties that Masonville Town is trying to take over? Seems our Town Board has already been taking care of us in this way, but the news report said that blighted houses lower the assessment rates of the houses all over any town. So my question is; so what for Masonville? Isn't this something like .02 percent of our total residents? 5)When my assessment went up (yet again) this year I was told it was because that even though the housing market was down, it was "up" in our area. Since the raise was not too bad I let it go but now I'm NOT so sure & am wondering if you guys are going to try & pull this "re-assessment" stunt again NEXT year? What gives with the assessments going on every year? It's just not right & you guys know it! We predict you will have a local war on your hands if you try & re-assess again to make the town financial numbers look good again. NUFF SAID! 6) PBS reported tonight that 6,500 homes are being foreclosed WEEKLY nationwide & the housing market will "be tough" & not ease until 2010. In closing I'd like to say Please Craig; we know you care deeply for us but take another look at how precious all of us in Masonville Town are. Thank you for your time. Please, stop that if you can. And thats all I have to say about that.
July 22, 2008 20:46:29 bertimouse   Well I must say yall have been busy since July 4th! 1)About the signs; the Masonville Democrats were really pushing this & suggested that they be made/placed/maintained at the borders of the Town,(not just the Hamlet) by the local children's groups in town [such as the boy scouts & the 4-H group] we were apparently ignored & told at a Town Meeting that the board just wanted signs that "they" didn't have to "maintain"; ie - just put 'em up & be done with it. So we don't like 'em for many reasons, err. 2)About the Highway appointment/election dilemma; we understand both sides. Let the townfolk decide in a vote which is how it should be decided anyway; just don't forget about it! 3)About bad dogs in town: We will shoot to kill on our property with NO QUESTIONS ASKED any dog/animal/person that threatens me or my family. End of story. Need there be any more discussion here? 4)About fires burning during the summer: Many people still burn their garbage. In Delaware Co. certain towns (if not all) still allow this. All the counties around us are banning burning garbage because of the nasty odors/toxic fumes being burned as well... if people were only more informed about what to and what NOT to burn! -The "stinkiness" you smell is from people burning PLASTIC in their garbage which is a definite NO-NO! In our house we call that "WMD" (Weapons of Mass Destruction). NO WMD in your burn pile yall! It's very nasty to breath, sprinkles down on your crops & is very BAD for your chickens, water, etc, etc... Recycle that stuff, please! 5) About fires burning during winter: Anyone locating an outdoor furnace should already know about where the wind blows in winter & be very mindful of their neighbors houses directly downwind. Again we've heard of some local towns making ordinances about outdoor furnaces. This is because people are just moving in & not thinking about their neighbors. 6) About this winter: It's going to be tough. We all need to be out there for eachother. Can we all stop fighting in the sandbox & agree on a few things like: a: saving a ton of $ for fuel oil bills this winter. b: Getting our troops home asap c:helping/remembering those who will need our help this winter. Yes there will be many I can tell yall right now! OK now, that's all I have to say about this & that.
July 22, 2008 13:29:30 Rt206er   Chester, I agree with about elected positions becoming appointed. I will most likely vote against this. I would like to learn more about the pros and cons. At this point this is how I feel. I will keep an open mind so I can get all the facts.
July 22, 2008 13:26:05 Rt206er   Tony, it was pretty scary at first. I would just like people in town to be mindful of others with their burning. Burning wood makes perfect sense with oil prices the way they are. I am going to burn wood this year too. My point is that it is summer and most people have their windows open. Nobody wants to smell and breath that all night. My lungs were bothering me all day. I feel better now. As a side comment for this winter- I wish there was a way to do something with the chimney on the outdoor furnaces so they are as high as peoples chimneys in their homes. The smoke from the outdoor furnaces saturates the whole town at times. I do see wood stove smoke at ground level but not very often. It's not pleasant going to work in the morning and smelling like smoke from going to your car. I don't know much about outdoor furnaces so if anyone wants to educate me, feel free.
July 22, 2008 10:11:36 Chester   As the Town Supervisor has shoved through Local Law #1-2008 abolishing the position of elected Highway Suprintendent it now behooves the taxpayers of this town to speak up and be heard. This will come to a vote in the general election. Like most of these local laws, this one will be placed on the ballot during a general presidential election as a deliberate move on the part of the politicians. Think about it. Why wasn't this a rush rush deal last year? Or next year? Why, all of a sudden, is it a matter of life and death this year? Local laws that are placed on general presidential elections are rarely defeated because they are lost in the shuffle and hub bub of the presidential election. - Don't let this one get lost. VOTE NO. You are losing more than just an Elected Highway Superintendent. Do you really want 4-6 people making all the decisions as to the running of this town? This would be especially true of the Highway Department. I am not sure what the "real" purpose behind rushing this to vote but I can surmise it has to do with someone wanting the job and not wanting to chance running for the position on a ballot. Keep in mind if this law passes every Highway Superintendent from that point on will not be the one the taxpayers want but will be on the basis of cronyism or "favor for favor". Cronyism frequently amounts to sending the fox to guard the hen house. - I for one will do all in my power to see this law defeated come general election.
July 22, 2008 09:32:31 Chester   Resident of Masonville - The April 2008 Town Board Minutes has that information. - The signs cost $1500.00 each plus the cost of materials and labor to erect them which the Town Highway Dept accomplished.
July 22, 2008 01:30:00 Resident of Masonville   I also would like to know how much was spent for those signs??$?
July 21, 2008 23:55:07 Tony - CR-20   WOW...this board is Great! You have discussions about Highway Superintendent jobs leading to Dog discussion and then complaints about garbage burning! It can't get any better than that! BTW - Rt206er, I'm down by 206 and 20. It wasn't me burning anything but that must have been quite a scare for you!
July 21, 2008 14:20:45 Rt206er   Sorry I didn't proof read my message better, it was early. If anyone needs me to translate it let me know.
July 21, 2008 05:05:11 RT206er lokidog5@gmail.com It's 4:43 AM Monday July 21st. I just got done running around my house to see if it is on fire. Luckily it is not not. Who the $&$! is burning god knows what??????? Ya put put with this from the outdoor furnaces all winter. A normal wood stove does not crank out the wood stove like they do. I know I've had a wood stove my whole life. BUT, It's summer and I have fans in my windows to keep things cool. It smells like plastic or something like it. Who ever is doing it, please think of someone other than yourself!!! If anyone knows who it is please let me know.
July 20, 2008 21:21:17 Chester   Fortunately the dog being discussed; (Which I do not know nor know where it lives) probably is not near as dangerous as it is perceived to be. Dogs that are kept confined to a small area or kept on chains for long periods of time tend to become very territorial and neurotic. Once free they view any and all other dogs and sometimes even other animals as infringing on their territory and will attack in an attempt to drive them off. - It is a great disfavor to a dog to keep it confined to a small area or on a chain. Dogs are pack animals and need others to complete their lives. In the case of pet dogs the owners and family become that pack. If one cannot make the dog part of the family you might better not have the dog. Think about yourself. If you were chained up or confined to a small area and the only contact you had with others was when they fed you or paid minimal attention to you; you also would become neurotic. Having a pet dog is a very real responsibilty on the part of the owner. I hope the owner of this dog comes to realize his or her responsibility to the community and to the dog.
July 20, 2008 21:06:56 Chester   CamoPrint - See the April 2008 Town Board Meeting minutes. It explains the cost and what was voted on.
July 20, 2008 20:11:11 CamoPrint   I've heard that its legally acceptable to shoot an attacking dog if it is harming you, your family, your livestock, or your pets. If this dog is really causing you this much concern.. next time it ends up biting your pets get out the ol' 12 gauge. Or do the morally acceptable thing and call animal control. And around how much each was spent on those signs anyway?
July 20, 2008 20:03:11 RT206er   Where does this dog live?
July 20, 2008 08:56:05 Charles   WARNING! WARNING! DANGEROUS DOG ALERT!! DANGEROUS DOG ALERT!! The following message should be used as valuable information to keep the people and animals in your life safe. I live on Rt.206 E., so does the dangerous dog that viciously attacked my dog on my property (FOR THE SECOND TIME IN LESS THAN A YEAR) at 5:40 a.m. Wednesday July 16, 2008. The owners of this menace are my neighbors to the west. The first incident occured on August 1, 2007. Luckily, that time my dog was able to escape with only a puncture wound on her leg. This was most likely due to the fact that we were on the bottom step of our deck. This time, my dog was not so lucky. I was standing on my deck while my dog was approx. 30 feet away "doing her business" when out of the bushes, between my neighbors house and mine, charged their dog. My dog immediately tried to run to me, but was mauled before she could make it back. She received a large, deep bite on her back left leg which required several stitches to close and a drain to be put in her leg (which she still has). The matter was turned over to our dog warden the same day. The owners still have this dangerous dog and claim that, this time, the dog "chewed through his kennel". The dog's kennel is constructed of chain-link fence! PLEASE BEWARE if you see a large, black, mix-breed dog roaming your area...it is dangerous! Everytime the dog gets loose, it runs away for 10-12 hours and then returns home (as was the case the day my dog was attacked). Who knows what other animals or possibly children have been, or will be hurt by this vicious animal. We consider our dog as a member of our family and this has hurt all of us. My beautiful, sweet, dog is now disfigured and scared to go outside. Again, please beware if you think you see this dog, it is dangerous!
July 19, 2008 15:46:28 Gerald   I think the signs look rather nice and enhance the town's apperance, However im really concerned about the article that was written about the problems with the fire department building and the tools that are in bad repair. What is going on here? How come it has gotten this far? Where is the monies going to? certainly not the Fire Department up keep ..
July 18, 2008 09:29:42 Chester   CamoPrint - If we go by the sign placement we would have to say 90% of the Town of Masonville is not included. I think you will find that the signs were intended to mark the boundries of the Hamlet of Masonville not the Town of Masonville. - I do not dislike the signs but I think they were a tad overpriced for what they are. But, that is hard to judge based on the cost of things these days.
July 17, 2008 19:18:01 CamoPrint   I hate the signs. Personally I think they look stupid. And I love how they're placed in town so that I'm apparently not considered to live in Masonville.
July 17, 2008 13:45:05 Chester   Perhaps the facts being missed here have nothing really to do with whether a Superintendent works 40 hours a week. The point of appointing a Superintendent is to place the power in fewer and fewer hands. That is my point in objecting to an appointed Superintendent. We elect people to fill positions in local government so the voter (taxpayer) has more voice and more control. If we elect "X" number of people to a "board" and that "board" makes the appointments then the voter (taxpayer) has turned over their rightful authority to make decisions to a small number of people who will operate not in accordance to the will of the people but in accordance to the will of a few. Perhaps this is not an issue or problem with the present board but what about the future? Can you be assured that it will never be a problem? An elected official, in the case of need, can be recalled while an appointed position is entirely under the control of any appointer. It would be rare for an appointer to admit a mistake had been made in appointing the person to the position as 99% of the appointments would be on "favor for favor" basis or on the basis of cronyism. An appointed position owes no allegiance to the taxpayer but rather his/her allegiance is to the person or board who made the appointment. Before turning over your control of the Highway Department. or any other Department of the town, consider all the facts and pros and cons. The argument has been put forth that an appointed Superintendent would give the Town Board more control. Exactly my point. Appointing to the position would ensure that the Superintendent works 40 hours a week. Was this an issue with the last Superintendent? How many appointed Superintendents are there in Delaware County? The Board of Supervisors refused to release that information to me thus I have a FOIL request before that agency and will know the answer soon, I hope. And in closing. Really folks you do not have to hide behind a nom de plume. If you believe what you are saying use your name.
July 17, 2008 12:07:50 Masonvillian Too   I suspect that the duties are not measured out in even 40 hour weeks like a desk job. What is required to maintaining the roads must be dependent on what the weather brings. So on a day when there is 3 hours worth of work is needed, let the man have a life. When there are 12 hours make him earn his money. If Masonville has needs over a full year that require 40K to compensate a compentent supervisor, fine it averages out over the year. Give him a 40 hour workweek and what will he do on the 3 hour day? Bilk us for 5 hours? When he needs to work 12 hours is he going to leave the work unfinished and say we didn't pay any over time? Maybe the board could detail what work is done and why it takes 40 hours a week with 40K being fair compensation. Perhaps making the job requirements and duties clearer to the tax payers is possible. If the taxpayers where clear on the duties and confident the elected/appointed is held accountable and would be removed if found to be doing less than 40K worth of work in a year, the matter of election vs appoiment is not as big of an issue.
July 16, 2008 21:15:50 Chester   No one compared anyone with "rotten apples". But read as you will. You would anyway. No one is taking anything away from what anyone has accomplished including the Town Supervisor. The discussion is about an appointed Road Superintendent VS Elected Road Superintendent. I don't happen to agree with doing away with any elected position. Especially a position that involves as much money as the Highway Department does.
July 16, 2008 20:49:47 Masonvillian   WOW...the Supervisor compared to "rotten apples"...I hardly think so. Isnt this the same guy who has made our town look better with flags, signs, etc and is now being criticized for it. Is this the same guy who has bought grave markers for our dead veterans graves? I guess that is a waste of money too! Or is it the same guy who has brought grant funding to our Town for the 1st time in years, most importantly a grant for a brand new ambulance at no cost to the locals? Maybe I am missing something here but it actually seems like we are moving forward and most folks are happy with these improvements. The last time I checked our highway chief made about 40k per year. If a new guy were to work 3 hours per day that would equate to over $250.00 per hour....I know some lawyers that charge less than that! As far as I am concerned if you are paid a full-time wage you should work a full day like the rest of us! Just because I get my work done early doesnt mean I can go home...my boss just has more for me to do...government workers should be treated no different. I support the supervisor and the board on what appears to be another right move for the people who pay the bills in our Town.
July 16, 2008 18:11:12 Craig DuMond   Chester, I certainly did not intend to disrespect you or deminish your opinion. I do not consider myself in a different class. As stated earlier I pride myself on public opinion and I have allowed the collective interests of everyone to guide me in my actions. Again, I apologize if you felt offended by my remarks...again that was not the intent. As always, I am more than willing to listen and respect your opinion at anytime. Craig
July 16, 2008 09:42:54 Chester   Supervisor DuMond - You ask why a person would not think an Appointed Superintendent would be better than an elected one? I thought I gave my reasons I, at least, believe a Superintendent should not be appointed. There are already enough "appointed" people collecting stipends and not doing anything to earn them. Your statement is very condescending; I really am not as ignorant as you might imply. You state this is not Washington, D.C. or Albany. No it is not, but take a look at a barrel of apples. Where do you find the most rotten apples? At the bottom of the barrel. It all starts at the bottom. I am 72 years old and been around this area all my life. I know how small town politics work. You state this matter of the Superintendent was discussed at length by the Town Board and they came to the unamimous decision that the Superintendents job should be appointed. When did this all happen? Where did it all happen? Certainly not at a public meeting. The meetings of the Town Board that I have attended I have not once heard any member of the Board speak in opposition to anything the Supervisor has said. In fact, I was rather shocked when there was no objection when the Supervisor told a non-board member to stop sending items to the Tri-Town News. Now, you state that you are very careful about how the "Board" spends the taxpayer money. Well, that is wonderful but it is your job to make sure the most bang for the buck is gotten from the taxpayers money. The new town signs are a very nice touch but are they really necessary at the price the taxpayers paid for them? Especially when one adds to the cost of them the time paid for erecting them, plus the cost of the posts they are attached to? The implied statement of your note that I, or anyone else that objects, should sit down and shut up because this matter will be on the ballot will not stand up with me. I am too old to be intimidated anymore. You are a very intelligent and capable gentleman and I am sure you are interested in what is best for Masonville but even the most capable person can be wrong from time to time. I know I certainly have been many, many times over the years and I certainly am not in the class of a Town Supervisor.
July 15, 2008 23:15:26 Craig DuMond   Why would a person believe that an appointed super would not be the best for the job? To do so indicates the Town Board does not have the best interests of the Town in mind. I can assure you the entire Town Board works diligently and honestly to represent the collective interests of the Town. This is not Washington DC or Albany, Masonville is our home town as well. As Supervisor, I do not run a dictatorship and do not micromanage the Town Board. After what I went through with the tragedy regarding the Masonville School, I pride myself on input, not only from the Board but from the public as a whole! An appointed Superintendent will not be answerable to the Supervisor, but to the Board members making up the Highway Committee. Contrary to popular belief the Supervisor only holds one vote on the Board, It takes a majority vote to get any business done. The Board as a whole debated this issue, considered all the variables, and decided the appointed superintendent would best represent the interests of the taxpayer. I consider overpaying anyone a huge problem and, as a Board member being directly responsible for the Town’s finances, I would certainly lose sleep over this if it were to happen. With home heating fuel and gas being the single most important factor in most households, the Board must be responsible in ensuring every tax dollar is being spent wisely and in the best interest of the taxpayer. As stated in my earlier post, I am more than willing to discuss this with anyone personally….feel free to email me or call….or better yet attend a Board meeting and let your feelings be known. You certainly have the right to your opinion and your opinion is important to the Board. Ultimately, the matter will be decided by the voters in November as the proposition regarding the status change of the Superintendent will be on the ballot.
July 15, 2008 11:31:25 Chester   The Highway Superintendent is elected by the voters because they feel he/she is best suited for the job. An appointed Highway Superintendent is appointed not because he/she is best for the job but because the "Board" feels he/she is the one for the job or because the "Board" feels he/she will more malable and easier to get the "Board's" wishes accomplished. The argument is being put forth that the "Board" could make sure the Highway Superintendent "works" 40 hours a week. The Highway Superintendent (key word being "Superintendent" is elected to oversee the highway department and make sure the job is being accomplished. If it takes 80 hours a week then he/she is obligated to do it. If it takes 8 hours a week he/she is obligated to do it. So, what difference does it make if the individual works 40 hours a week as long as the job is getting done? It troubles me right now that our Town Board is basically a rubber stamp for the Town Supervisior. What are we going to get if the Highway Superintendent is appointed? The Supervisor becomes the absolute dictator of what goes on in the Town and has to "Board" to rubber stamp his wishes. It has been noted that 90% of the Town Budget goes to the Highway Department. That is a perfect argument for having a GOOD elected Highway Superintendent on the job, not some toady, to make sure that money is being used and spent in the way the taxpayers want it. A Highway Superintendent should be accountable to the taxpayers NOT the Town Supervisor only. Again I say do not allow the position of Highway Superintendent to become a crony appointment. We are losing enough of our rights as citizens as it is. The argument was put forth that elected Highway Superintendents arrange it so they only work a few hours a week and make more money than doctors or lawyers. I would have to see the statistics on that one and I would like to know what small NY town has a Superintendent making more than a doctor or lawyer. If the Town of Masonville has enough money in its coffers to pay that kind of money to a Highway Superintendent I can certain come up with some good causes in the town to use the money for. From what I have seen I do not think overpaying ANYONE in the Town of Masonville is a problem I am going to lose any sleep over.
July 14, 2008 22:59:00 Craig DuMond   In regard to the Highway Superintendent Position; the last thing the Town Board has in mind is cronyism. I too understand that changing a position from elected to appointed is a very difficult decision. However, there are many reasons this makes sense, I will list a couple. The Town Board is responsible for the administration of all the Taxpayer's monies. 90% of the Town's budget is made up by the Highway Department. It only seems prudent to have the most control over the monies you are responsible for. 2nd involves work hours. In some locations elected highway supers do not work 40-hour work weeks. Since they only answer to the voters and make their own hours, many work just a couple to a few hours per day. When you break this down into an hourly wage, some of these supers make more that doctors and lawyers! We have not had this problem in Masonville, however, who knows what the future will bring. In keeping with getting the most bang for the taxpayer's buck, each employee should work 40 hours...an appointed super can be required by the Board to do this, an elected one cannot. The voters can continue to regulate their satisfaction/dissatisfaction with the super position through the elected Board and Town Supervisor. I will be happy to discuss this rationale with anyone seeking questions and/or clarification....please call me at 369-4338.
July 11, 2008 13:16:21 Zukira zukira@fallenswordirc.com I agree with you 100% there Chester!
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